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Why do Americans think that single payer health care systems do not turn people down for medical care and drugs that they need? Why do they not look at the rationing that all such systems depend on to contain costs? Shouldn’t we take a good hard look at reality before we trade our system for something that is worse?
Note how many Norweigans travel abroad and/or pay additional cash for health care, because the lines are too long and the care is of low quality due to being overwhelmed.
The Germans are masters or organization and engineering. They must have figured this out and certainly rationing is not a problem there and people certainly don’t have to wait and die due to cost containment: https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/9b0...9d303e2b18.pdf
Silly anecdotes. The above countries all have better statistical outcomes.
America's death panels wear a suit and tie at health insurance companies and big pharma.
The hard right wingers approach this issue based on emotion, which they accuse the left of doing, and they both do it.
The right have made it clear they don't want certain (poor) people to be able to get health care because they don't deserve it. And it angers them if those people are given access, even if the results benefit everyone.
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Are there people who really think like this?
It is so irrational as to be ludicrous. This kind of thinking will be the undoing of the republicans. They will need to step up on this issue. Mr. Trump not only has not but is in the process of separating the poor from their lifeline to healthcare by allowing states to dump people off the ACA Medicaid which these states chose to participate in. So do they want Obamacare, or not... you can't have this half in/half out cherry pick patchwork going on, that is not the intent of extending this program.
Republicans want their exclusive little cake and to eat it too but enlightened people will see how unfair this is, hopefully next election cycle. Trump really told a Yuge lie making his healthcare promise while doing the opposite, and he should have to pay for that.
Exactly why I feel like I do. You can't have this half in/half out cherry pick patchwork going on if by meaning half pay and half don't. Either we're in or we're out. The idea that other people have to pay just because you exist is wrong. I didn't birth you. Just how much should other people have to pay just so you can survive? Add in free college you want, add in all the other taxes we pay on behalf of others (and yes some services we use, some we did but will never again, and some we've never used) when is enough enough? There are those of us who have gladly (maybe not happily) but at least realized that many of our taxes go to things that help and are glad to do so; but quite frankly....the next time you put your hand in my pocket to pull my money out so that you get "free" stuff all you're going to pull out is lint. I'm tapped out. Try your own pocket.
Prior to the implementation of "Obamacare" well over 70% of the population was satisfied with their existing health insurance. Under the current system I don't believe the level of satisfaction is currently that high. Now in terms of medicare for all, I think it is a poor idea! Why? Because once they have you "captive" they can do anything they want to your coverage and prices with no recourse. I believe the current medicare cost is below the market rate for the coverage provided. Anybody want to guess what will happen as soon as they have a universal plan? Well, once they figure out that they are not charging enough, there will be massive rate hikes.....and with no market competition to hold things in check, there will be NOTHING you can do anything about it.
32% prefer universal gov't payer healthcare plus private insurance supplement
26% prefer universal gov't payer healthcare with an option to opt out of private insurance
13% prefer universal gov't payer healthcare and abolish private insurance
15% prefer abolish all government healthcare, go 100% private
14% prefer the status quo
Pretty strong support for some form of Medicare For All.
Prior to the implementation of "Obamacare" well over 70% of the population was satisfied with their existing health insurance. Under the current system I don't believe the level of satisfaction is currently that high. Now in terms of medicare for all, I think it is a poor idea! Why? Because once they have you "captive" they can do anything they want to your coverage and prices with no recourse. I believe the current medicare cost is below the market rate for the coverage provided. Anybody want to guess what will happen as soon as they have a universal plan? Well, once they figure out that they are not charging enough, there will be massive rate hikes.....and with no market competition to hold things in check, there will be NOTHING you can do anything about it.
correct, once the socialist have control of your body, they have complete control over you
Exactly why I feel like I do. You can't have this half in/half out cherry pick patchwork going on if by meaning half pay and half don't. Either we're in or we're out. The idea that other people have to pay just because you exist is wrong. I didn't birth you. Just how much should other people have to pay just so you can survive? Add in free college, add in all the other taxes we pay on behalf of others (and yes some services we use, some we did but will never again, and some we've never used) when is enough enough? There are those of us who have gladly (maybe not happily) but at least realized that many of our taxes go to things that help and are glad to do so; but quite frankly....the next time you put your hand in my pocket to pull my money out so that you get "free" stuff all you're going to pull out is lint. I'm tapped. Try your own pocket.
We're not going backwards it isn't happening. You are not being realistic. Trump is a blip, who lied and damage is being done as we speak. You are on the losing side, we will have to decide which universal plan is the best one, not whether there will be one. You advocate killing Americans through neglect and enlightened people are over that. I have no problem paying more so everyone can have access to healthcare, it benefits all of us. I don't care if others pay less or get it for free, we all need it.
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We're not going backwards it isn't happening. You are not being realistic. Trump is a blip, who lied and damage is being done as we speak. You are on the losing side, we will have to decide which universal plan is the best one, not whether there will be one. You advocate killing Americans through neglect and enlightened people are over that. I have no problem paying more so everyone can have access to healthcare, it benefits all of us. I don't care if others pay less or get it for free, we all need it.
OMG.... are you serious? I advocate killing Americans? This from the pro-abortion, open border constituency? Taking all your "feelings" out of it.... How ya going pay for it? In cold hard data. Facts.
Keeping in mind of course that you want what's "fair." You can't do it can you? Of course not. You have to bully and berate someone because you want what you want, you don't want to have to pay for it yourself, and you don't care who it hurts on the other side to get it. Can you not comprehend that? That some of us have been taxed to freaking death for your programs. It's okay to put my family in bankruptcy and poverty so that YOU can have health care?
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