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I think the Lost Cause would have lasted a long time without Gone With The Wind, at last without the movie version. Birth of A Nation might have prolonged it. However, there is something to understand. There were plenty of Confederate monuments going up. That was enough to continue that Lost Cause myth. Jim Crow had a way of continuing the Lost Cause. When the Civil Rights movement started, this is when a spike in schools named for Confederate generals took place. The Confederate flag became a symbol of resistance against civil rights. The Lost Cause would have continued without Gone With The Wind.
You're right green_mariner, Gone With the Wind was just a single part of the propaganda campaign began in earnest immediately following the war by the likes of Jubal Early & Jefferson Davis.
Although it's worth noting that some of the earliest criticisms of the 'Lost Cause' mythologies came from Confederates themselves
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A half-century after serving the Confederate cause, John Singleton Mosby, legendary leader of Mosby's Rangers, offered no apologies for his southern loyalties. He was quite candid about his reason for fighting. "The South went to war on account of slavery," he said. "South Carolina went to war - as she said in her secession proclamation - because slavery w[oul]d not be secure under Lincoln." Then he added as if to dispel all doubt, "South Carolina ought to know what was the cause of her seceding."
From the following piece by Ta-Nehisi Coates:
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The first people to question that mythology were themselves Confederates, distraught to find their motives downplayed or treated as embarrassments. A Richmond-based newspaper offered the following:
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‘The people of the South,’ says a contemporary, ‘are not fighting for slavery but for independence.’ Let us look into this matter. It is an easy task, we think, to show up this new-fangled heresy — a heresy calculated to do us no good, for it cannot deceive foreign statesmen nor peoples, nor mislead any one here nor in Yankeeland. . . Our doctrine is this: WE ARE FIGHTING FOR INDEPENDENCE THAT OUR GREAT AND NECESSARY DOMESTIC INSTITUTION OF SLAVERY SHALL BE PRESERVED, and for the preservation of other institutions of which slavery is the groundwork.
What This Cruel War Was Over The meaning of the Confederate flag is best discerned by the words of those who bore it
Great Video!!!! Until the government admits the truth and they start teaching the correct history in schools and label Lincoln a tyrant and a President that should have been impeached for his crimes and violations of the Constitution they should keep flying the confederate flag in the South......Never Forget!
How many of the seceding states didn`t specifically mention slavery was the cause for seceding in their Ordinance of Secession?
I`ll never forget that the confederates started a war when they fired on Ft. Sumter which was property of the U.S.A. I don`t see how there can be "southern pride" for starting a war for the worst possible cause which killed 700,000 Americans. https://www.historynet.com/which-sta...-secession.htm
Great Video!!!! Until the government admits the truth and they start teaching the correct history in schools and label Lincoln a tyrant and a President that should have been impeached for his crimes and violations of the Constitution they should keep flying the confederate flag in the South......Never Forget!
Fascinating how some here seem to continue to prop John Wilkes Barre up there on a pedestal by parroting his words. Wondering what they think of his actions?
Was he heroic too?
Do we have any Confederate statuary or memorials venerating him as well? ( I'm considering the 'literal' pedestals here as opposed to the metaphoric. )
Great Video!!!! Until the government admits the truth and they start teaching the correct history in schools and label Lincoln a tyrant and a President that should have been impeached for his crimes and violations of the Constitution they should keep flying the confederate flag in the South......Never Forget!
Eventually people spend too long trying to gaslight and accidentally let their true motives slip.
Fascinating how some here seem to continue to prop John Wilkes Barre up there on a pedestal by parroting his words. Wondering what they think of his actions?
Was he heroic too?
Do we have any Confederate statuary or memorials venerating him as well? ( I'm considering the 'literal' pedestals here as opposed to the metaphoric. )
Sheeesh.
Those are probably some of the same persons who would have been against the Civil Rights movement back in the 1960s. Anyone who would refer to John Wilkes Booth as a hero is a sick individual. There is no trying to reconcile with that kind of individual.
Several events over the last view years have put the Confederate flag in the national spotlight. It is a controversial symbol and for good reason. I grew up in Georgia and kept hearing the same thing "it represents southern heritage" or "it's about my southern pride". I ask my mother and her response was "I'm southern but it's not my pride".
I understand why people are offended by the flag, it was carried into battle in a war over states rights and slavery. But I also understand the people who see the flag as a representation of southern pride, and do not see it as the symbol of slavery. The vernacular and meanings of words, phrases and symbols change over time. It wasn't too long ago when the word "gay" had an entirely different meaning.
Don't get me wrong, the racists see the flag in a different light than other Southerners. Just as the "OK" hand gesture means okay for most people, the racists see it as something else. Are we going to allow the angry, bigoted minority to decide the meanings behind everything, is that how spineless and cowardly we have become?
Just follow this LINK to some black Southerners who see the flag as a symbol of pride. But what the hell, the PC crowd have decided to give the racists and bigots the deciding vote on what the meanings of life are.
You're right green_mariner, Gone With the Wind was just a single part of the propaganda campaign began in earnest immediately following the war by the likes of Jubal Early & Jefferson Davis.
And consider this. Margaret Mitchell was born in 1900. Those stories had to have been around since before she was born. If there had been no Lost Cause myth, Margaret Mitchell wouldn't have written her book.
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Although it's worth noting that some of the earliest criticisms of the 'Lost Cause' mythologies came from Confederates themselves
Ironic, but not so ironic. The person who criticized the Lost Cause myth made no bones about it. He wanted slavery and was willing to fight a war to keep it.
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From the following piece by Ta-Nehisi Coates:
What This Cruel War Was Over The meaning of the Confederate flag is best discerned by the words of those who bore it
I understand why people are offended by the flag, it was carried into battle in a war over states rights and slavery. But I also understand the people who see the flag as a representation of southern pride, and do not see it as the symbol of slavery. The vernacular and meanings of words, phrases and symbols change over time. It wasn't too long ago when the word "gay" had an entirely different meaning.
Don't get me wrong, the racists see the flag in a different light than other Southerners. Just as the "OK" hand gesture means okay for most people, the racists see it as something else. Are we going to allow the angry, bigoted minority to decide the meanings behind everything, is that how spineless and cowardly we have become?
Just follow this LINK to some black Southerners who see the flag as a symbol of pride. But what the hell, the PC crowd have decided to give the racists and bigots the deciding vote on what the meanings of life are.
^ this
and the fact that the majority of people on the planet could give a flip about a flag or that some people are butt hurt about it.
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Until the government admits the truth and they start teaching the correct history in schools and label Lincoln a tyrant and a President that should have been impeached for his crimes and violations of the Constitution they should keep flying the confederate flag in the South......Never Forget!
how some here seem to continue to prop John Wilkes Barre up there on a pedestal by parroting his words. Wondering what they think of his actions? 
