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Old 02-13-2019, 12:01 PM
 
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This group is funded by European governments and their goal is to press on Israeli government to withdraw from Judea and Samaria. What they say is a lie. I'v been in that war, and there was absolutely no intent to harm civilians.
And in any way, Israelis are not speaking about "immoral Americans" without provocation.
I see. but when I point out your accusations about most of the "atrocities" committed by me and my fellow veterans is mostly BS...…...and lies...….you say otherwise? Two can play that game.
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Old 02-13-2019, 12:05 PM
 
Location: Elysium
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I was there. never saw or even heard of any rapes. this weaver character is another revisionist who was never there. probably not even alive while it was going on. Bottom line... why rape when you could get it willingly for $5?
Crime of violence not sex. In some parts of the world by socially making the rape victim unable to be a mother because of her status it becomes a genocidal war weapon.

For the American Vietnam War specifically there was the Michael J. Fox movie based upon a true incident The Casualties of War. Incident on Hill 192 in 1966
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Old 02-13-2019, 12:35 PM
 
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Israeli brigade? And what are we to call you? Hezbollah? Mohammad, Kayamm, Anas or Anum?
Hezbollah, Hamas, Sepah, Isis, AlQaeda, Adolf Hitler, a Nazi. Whatever makes you feel better. I know what I am, and I know what you're.
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Old 02-13-2019, 12:36 PM
 
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And if anyone refuses to use their critical thinking skills to accept yours at face value, they're what exactly?
If you want to call me a moron, just call me a moron. Go ahead
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Old 02-13-2019, 12:37 PM
 
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I see. but when I point out your accusations about most of the "atrocities" committed by me and my fellow veterans is mostly BS...…...and lies...….you say otherwise? Two can play that game.
It's clear to any of the none liars in this thread that American soldiers committed many atrocities in Vietnam but Israeli's continue to do so today by sniping at protestors etc. The last time IDF had a real war, was 2006 and they lost that one. Though they killed a lot of Lebanese civilians in bombings. I guess for them that's a win. No military victories against Hezbollah but hey, the Lebanese body count is higher because the Israeli's carpet bombed their cities.
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Old 02-13-2019, 12:51 PM
 
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I was there. never saw or even heard of any rapes. this weaver character is another revisionist who was never there. probably not even alive while it was going on. Bottom line... why rape when you could get it willingly for $5?
Rape is not about sex, it's about humiliation and control.
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Old 02-13-2019, 12:55 PM
 
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It's clear to any of the none liars in this thread that American soldiers committed many atrocities in Vietnam but Israeli's continue to do so today by sniping at protestors etc. The last time IDF had a real war, was 2006 and they lost that one. Though they killed a lot of Lebanese civilians in bombings. I guess for them that's a win. No military victories against Hezbollah but hey, the Lebanese body count is higher because the Israeli's carpet bombed their cities.
It's not "protesters", it's violent mob with stones and sometimes hand-grenades.

Lebanon war was not a loss, as it ended on Lebanese soil.
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Old 02-13-2019, 01:00 PM
 
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It's not "protesters", it's violent mob with stones and sometimes hand-grenades.

Lebanon war was not a loss, as it ended on Lebanese soil.
It was a loss. You intended to crush Hezbollah, and you could not do that. Hezbollah never had the capacity to invade Israel - this is changing the goal posts of the encounter.

I remember those days very well, including videos of crying IDF soldiers. The death toll between Hezbollah and IDF were almost at parity as well, which surprised everyone. Of course, propagandists in the Israeli government will claim victory just like America claimed victory in Vietnam.
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Old 02-13-2019, 01:07 PM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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It was a loss. You intended to crush Hezbollah, and you could not do that. Hezbollah never had the capacity to invade Israel - this is changing the goal posts of the encounter.

I remember those days very well, including videos of crying IDF soldiers. The death toll between Hezbollah and IDF were almost at parity as well, which surprised everyone. Of course, propagandists in the Israeli government will claim victory just like America claimed victory in Vietnam.
What did Hezzbolah win? Their existence? They had that before they started the war. They won because they weren’t wiped out? That is some great victory.

The real loser was Lebanon, who’s casualties and infrastructure losses dwarfed that of Israel.

But if you are going to allow Hezzbolah to attack Israel from inside your borders, you have to bear some of the responsibility for that.
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Old 02-13-2019, 01:11 PM
 
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What did Hezzbolah win? Their existence? They had that before they started the war. They won because they weren’t wiped out? That is some great victory.

The real loser was Lebanon, who’s casualties and infrastructure losses dwarfed that of Israel.

But if you are going to allow Hezzbolah to attack Israel from inside your borders, you have to bear some of the responsibility for that.
Yes, their existence and then their pride. Post the 2006 war, Hezbollah was lionized, they even erected a museum near the Israel border dedicated to their fighting prowess.

Of course as a guerilla resistance, the best they can hope for is to give Israel a black eye so they never do it again. And that's what Hezbollah did. Israel had been itching to wipe them out for some time, instead now Hezbollah is firmly entrenched in the Lebanese government and rules the south of Lebanon and has a bigger ego to boot.
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