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Old 02-13-2019, 01:13 PM
 
Location: East of the Burgh.
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Because they like things fine just the way they are. They do not care about our crumbling infrastructure and income inequality, nor the level of corruption in Washington. They want to keep things just the way they are, but build a stupid, money wasting wall on the Southern border.
You evidently have not been listening to the conservative agenda on infrastructure.
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Old 02-13-2019, 01:16 PM
 
Location: East of the Burgh.
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My main point is they see the benefits of BOTH the Danish system and the American system. You appear freaked out by the Danish system.

In the global lottery of countries: being born in Denmark is like winning powerball. Hardly some horrible path to hell you seem to be suggesting.
If one applies themselve, you can be just as successful here. It's all for the taking.
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Old 02-13-2019, 01:17 PM
 
Location: East of the Burgh.
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My main point is they see the benefits of BOTH the Danish system and the American system. You appear freaked out by the Danish system.

In the global lottery of countries: being born in Denmark is like winning powerball. Hardly some horrible path to hell you seem to be suggesting.
Really, I think that may be your perception.
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Old 02-13-2019, 01:22 PM
 
Location: East of the Burgh.
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Well.. No.

Do you know how much of US spending on NATO is used in Europe?

You will get an epiphany..

The US defense budget is spent on America...


We do benefit from your nukes.. but that is about it anymore.
Yes, but they know we have their back, so they have to spend less on defense.
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Old 02-13-2019, 01:26 PM
 
Location: East of the Burgh.
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And yet you live in the country where it's own government says Medical errors are the third leading cause of preventable deaths. Better pack you bags.
Go back to Canada, you don't even have a fight here!
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Old 02-13-2019, 01:29 PM
 
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yep so HAPPY (or helluva lot better shape ) that they commit suicide more than the usa in EVERY AGE bracket


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denmark and norway have high costs of living, ultra high taxes..high crime, and a poverty problem too


norway has a MANDITORY MILITARY OBLIGATION (conscript) for 2 years for males....voluntary for females



Norway national median income 51k....equal with the USA which is 50k
https://data.oecd.org/natincome/net-national-income.htm

Average wages.....53k.....LESS than the US which is at 60k
https://data.oecd.org/earnwage/average-wages.htm
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denmark age above 75.....46.3 per 100,000 people Ranked 4th. 2 times more than United States at 22 per 100,000 people

denmark age 75-64...........43.9 per 100,000 people Ranked 1st. 3 times more than United States at 15.3 per 100,000 people

denmark age 55-64............32.1 per 100,000 people Ranked 3rd. 2 times more than United States at 13.3 per 100,000 people

denmark age 45-54..............35.9 per 100,000 people Ranked 2nd. 3 times more than United States at 14.3 per 100,000 people

denmark age 35-44............23.9 per 100,000 people, Ranked 4th. 56% more than United States at 15.3 per 100,000 people

denmark age 25-34............16.9 per 100,000 people, Ranked 9th. 10% more than United States at 15.3 per 100,000 people

denmark age 18-24............13.9 per 100,000 people, Ranked11th. 2/10ths more than United States at 13.7 per 100,000 people

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-...ofiles/Denmark

yep so happy they are killing themselves
The WHO takes a bleak view of your suicide stats. (Also, "late 1990s"?)

http://apps.who.int/gho/data/node.main.MHSUICIDE

As for mandatory military service, although it's very much in decline in practice - that was a major step towards equal treatment under the law when introduced. (Also, I thought we were all lame-o civilian misfits just waiting for the US to come to our aid?)

Used to be that cities and shires were required to enroll a certain number of young men per year, and you can probably guess who went: Those with no money, no connections, no options. It was locked down, not just by law but by constitution, that every able-bodied man carries a personal responsibility to take part in the defense of the realm. Of course the upper and middle class squealed like stuck pigs at the thought of their little darlings having to spend time with common workers and farmers, but I suspect everybody benefits from having to actually meet those of your countrymen you'd normally pretend don't really exist.

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Old 02-13-2019, 01:31 PM
 
Location: East of the Burgh.
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And the US has 45% higher Infant mortality then compared to Denmark.
Well maybe it has to do with population, 330 million as compared to 5.78 million, well yea infant mortality rate is gonna be higher.
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Old 02-13-2019, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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workingclasshero posted this garbage in a previous thread, which I soundly disproved, so here goes again:

Suicide rate by country
United States: 13.7 Suicides per 100,000 people in 2016
Denmark: 9.2 Suicides per 100,000 people in 2016
yes disproved nothing


I showed nationmaster which gives and accurate break down by age


you showed wiki




nope, you are the one disproven
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Old 02-13-2019, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Really, I think that may be your perception.
I would make that statement about any of the Top 20 OECD countries...including the USA, Norway, Canada, Australia, Demark, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...GDP_per_capita

In the grand scheme of things anyone born in these countries was lucky...myself included.
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Old 02-13-2019, 01:49 PM
 
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It's hard to believe I read this in the Atlantic, but it's an article that downplays socialism and social mobility in Denmark after a study was conducted back in 2016.

Denmark Isn't Magic

Here's the conclusion

Low-income Danish kids are not much more likely to earn a middle-class wage than their American counterparts. What’s more, the children of non-college graduates in Denmark are about as unlikely to attend college as their American counterparts.


In other words, there isn't much true social mobility in socialism. So...

If that’s true, how does Denmark rank number-one among all rich countries in social mobility? It’s all about what happens after wages: The country’s high taxes on the rich and income transfers to the poor “compress” economic inequality within each generation: When the rungs on the economic ladder are closer together, it’s easier to move a little bit up (or down) over the course of a generation.


So it not that socialism produces a better economy... the social mobility is based on the rich giving money to the poor. Guess what that leads to? Here is the 3rd major point gleaned from the study.

The third big idea is that Denmark’s welfare policies might reduce its citizens’ incentives to go to college. In the early 1990s, when Denmark raised the minimum age of eligibility for social assistance, college enrollment among Danish twentysomethings fell below its trajectory. Based on this finding, the researchers conclude that welfare policies may reduce college enrollment. Denmark makes it more comfortable to be poor and less lucrative to be rich, so many young people decide to end their education after high school.


Now when I read the underlined, this is how I read it, and this is why the American system, while not perfect, is better.

Because the incentive of making your own profit is available in America, there will always be a great deal of motivation to make new medicine to cure cancer, to make a better car, to make a killer app for smartphones, to make learning easier, to make better music... So we go to school and hopefully learn more about what we love to do, and make a living doing it while making the lives of others better.

In Denmark, they are not as motivated because they are forced to give the fruits of their labor away to people who don't do much. So there will never be as much innovation and drive as there should be - because they can exist comfortably without doing anything.

Basically the article is an essay on the basics of human nature. If a person is brought up around people who do nothing but live comfortably, that person won't do much either. If you around higher income college grads, those people are likely to follow suit. This blows away the whole Denmark socialism and the high social mobility myth.
Universities and colleges in America make a lot of money promoting education but my question is what do they do after? How many drop out halfway through? It's not going to college that counts, it's finishing it and the job you land with that education afterward. I'd have to compare that before I make a judgment.
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