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Old 02-14-2019, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Trump has every legal right to do this, as you will see in SCOUTS. This act has been used since the 70s by many presidents.
Negative. No president has attempted to enact a partisan program of significant cost through this mechanism.
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Old 02-14-2019, 09:26 PM
 
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Negative. No president has attempted to enact a partisan program of significant cost through this mechanism.
This is not partisan. That what you say. It's related to security issues.
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Old 02-14-2019, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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Sounds like a good Leftist Campaign slogan to me.

“vote for Democrats, we will declare a National Emergency and take your Guns.
That 2nd Amendment thingy in the Constitution- we are shredding that sucker”.

Nancy laid it all out ... plans are in the works now. She was clear about that.
Stick a Fork in our Constitutional Republic.
We conservatives should all be preparing to carry out a rebellion against any leftist government or leftist assault on our liberties. I agree with you, our constitution is done for anyway. We will either live under the socialist boot or we will have a conservative government. Whatever needs to be done to stop the communist is ok by me.
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Old 02-14-2019, 09:32 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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This is not partisan.
Factually incorrect.
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Old 02-14-2019, 09:35 PM
 
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In other words- “if you secure the border, we’re taking away your 2nd amendment”. How does it feel to be such an ass?
Pelosi was just using that as an example. Even Republicans know this will set a bad precedent. What's to stop future presidents from going around congress to get what they want. This is what Pelosi was saying. If this was an actually emergency, Trump would have already taken this action instead of closing government and waiting for congress to appropriate the funds. So obviously, it's not an emergency.
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Old 02-14-2019, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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About 40,000 people died on the wrong end of a gun in 2017. About 60% of those deaths were self inflicted. At the same time, there were about 320,000,000 people living in the USA.

That means you had a 0.0007% chance of dying from gun violence that year and your odds were cut in half if you didn't point a gun at your own head. Consider too that only a tiny percentage of the homicide victims were random victims... the vast majority were crooks killing each other.

This "national emergency" is even dumber and more unfounded than the one Trump is pulling out of his ass.

Anyway, consider yourself debunked, OP.
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Old 02-14-2019, 09:38 PM
 
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Factually incorrect.
Partisanship is subjective....get it? It is & will not be an issue in court, at all. Cripes.
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Old 02-14-2019, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Central Washington
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Of course it’s on the decline but so are illegal crossings. I’m saying that by the bastardized logic Trump is using to do this on the wall, the same logic would have to conclude that gun violence is also an emergency since it has killed far more people.
The amount of illegal drugs coming from Mexico is soaring, and overdose deaths are far higher than from guns. Between 2016 and 2017 alone, the death rate from opioids like fentanyl rose 45%. In 1999 the drug od death rate was 6.1/100,000, by 2017 it was 21.7/100,000. Sounds like a national emergency to me.
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Old 02-14-2019, 09:44 PM
 
Location: PSL
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And as deaths caused by illegals are even lower, I’m glad that you agree that the southern border does not constitute a national emergency.
I don't agree. On the contrary.

Illegals cost this country more per year than firearms related injuries and deaths.
https://cis.org/Camarota/Enforcing-I...Cost-Effective

That does not account for the illegal narcotics like fentanyl either which kill far more than firearms when compared over the last 5 years. That's looking at CDC charts tallying up accidents/negligence, homicide, and suicide committed with a firearm vs illicit narcotics.

Build the wall.
Patrol it.
Place seismometers across the border wall to detect tunneling efforts.
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/...009-story.html

Trump wants to enforce the laws.
Pelosi wants to attack a Constitutionally protected civil liberty.

Shut the borders down. Sorry folks were full.

Start taking care of our own let all those that are trashing Mexico right now go back to their respective chit holes and fix them.
We have homeless of our own. We should be taking care of our own before opening the door to every organized caravan attendee.

I say. Kill multiple birds with 1 stone.
Go to areas of homeless.
Round them up.
Pay them to construct the wall. Teach them a skill. That way they can get into a trade. Once the wall is complete? They may use the relevant expirience and apply elsewhere to utilize the skills they learned while being paid to build the wall.

Put up mobile housing, like FEMA trailers for the laborers to live in while they construct the wall.

Earn and learn, housing, recommendations upon completion to help obtain gainful employment.
No influx from unsecured borders etc.
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Old 02-14-2019, 09:47 PM
 
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The amount of illegal drugs coming from Mexico is soaring, and overdose deaths are far higher than from guns. Between 2016 and 2017 alone, the death rate from opioids like fentanyl rose 45%. In 1999 the drug od death rate was 6.1/100,000, by 2017 it was 21.7/100,000. Sounds like a national emergency to me.
The majority of those drug deaths were legal drugs prescribed by doctors.
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