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Luckily we still have a sizable group who vote based on policy and platform, not straight party...as it should be.
If people want a blue state, there are plenty to choose from, but I guess this swing state is just too attractive for them, perhaps they should work on turning their blue state into such a swing state to make things better.
Florida ain’t all that attractive. It’s just warm. If it wasn’t, half the population would bail in a minute.
The sun and sand are Florida’s ace in the hole. People don’t flock there because the natives are convivial and the state is run well because neither is the case. Most of the state is actually pretty putrid once you drive a few minutes inland.
Oh yeah...and the state income tax. But wages in Florida are so bad that if they had state income taxes, half the state wouldn’t have any disposable income. Lol
the state of New York is depressing, the only good thing in NY is NYC, and it's impossible to live there for ordinary citizens, so there's only left ... different from California that has several counties with great qualities .... most of people move because they want to live better, this does not always mean abandoning old habits.
Here in Denver, Californian people... want to live as the Californian liberal elite lives in their home state, they left not because they hated this lifestyle, but because they were not a part of it
most of the wealthy Floridians and their middle class come from New York ... They do not adapt, they continue to maintain the typically narcissistic attitude of the people of New York, they try to turn Florida into a sunny NY.
Had to leave NY because you aren't tough enough to handle any confrontation without your guns, huh?
LMAO
No. That isn't the case.
Taxes.
Criminalizing everything I partake in. Like constitutional rights to keep and bear arms.
Cityiots migrating to rural areas to develop near the race tracks I raced at 2 towns passed ordinances that ban the sale of the race tracks property to continue being race tracks. They are to be sold to developers. However... they left quite a loophole. One of my lawyer friends set a binding trust that circumvent the ban, the tracks may be leased. So while the track can't be sold... it can be leased
Then there's the "quiet time" noise ordinances that were imposed which shut the race tracks down at 10pm.
Fireworks are banned.
Loud exhaust = fix it tickets.
Road salt rotting everything critical on your vehicle. You can't prevent it unless you want to park it fall-spring. You can only slow it down with under coating.
Love how those that have never lived in NY have so much to say about those of us that choose to leave it.
I'm in western New York - not far from Niagara Falls and the Canadian border. The area is beautiful and you're never far from beaches or ski resorts. Unfortunately most of the manufacturing jobs having left the area - which means less disposable income while the taxes raise 5-10% every year. They have been closing schools in the area for the last 10 yrs and yet my school tax bill has doubled and is close to what I pay in county property taxes.
The towns here are always in the best places to retire due to the affordable housing - but these articles do not include the enormous taxes we pay - just the mean selling price of the homes.
There is the issue of Cuomo's hatred for guns - which affect many gun owners - including a good percentage that are Democrats.
I'm counting the days until we can leave this state and move south. Unless you live here - you have no idea how bad it is and why people are fleeing.
Guns, roaring Harleys, fireworks and all manner of disturbance? Do tell. So happy you're in FL and not next door to me. Ye gads. NY certainly has the right idea. It's called "don't be obnoxious and an annoyance to others - and be a responsible citizen by protecting against brain injury and disability and becoming a possible ward of the state by wearing your helmet when riding your Harley."
Freedom is scary for you I see... busy body confirmed.
No NY does not have the right idea.
What's hilarious, the cityiot and busy body nature that exists in NY is one that can't stand noise. Yet. Resides in the loudest areas and typically has the loudest mouth.
Floridians are not wrong in their assessment of NYers being loudmouths and ratfinks.
I'm responsible. I haven't had a wreck on the road whether I lived in NY or FL while on a bike.
Dirt bikes/three wheelers/quads and stock cars different story. Those were minor injuries usually bumps and bruises or getting the wind knocked out of me.
Bet you didn't know this fun fact about helmets...
I know a coroner who has bagged up many a downed motorcyclist.
The typical death blow when one wears a helmet, is in the form of a broken neck caused by centrifugal force. As one tumbles, the weight of the helmet can cause the head to accelerate while tumbling leading to a fractured spinal cord. And since it usually fractures at the base of the skull either caused by the centrifugal force or helmet design. That usually occurs at 50+mph.
I'd say I'm quite responsible. It's the half blind half deaf 5 minute reaction time of the retiree snowbirds you have to worry about.
Only time I ever was hospitalized was due to tick bite in NY-ehrlichiosis that crap is near fatal.
I wouldn't be a ward of the state if that were the case. You worry about you busy body. I'll continue to live my life as I see fit. Whether it's blasting over waves and wakes with a jetski, riding my bike without a helmet, attending 2 and 3 gun competitions, hunting feral hogs to turn into BBQ for the block parties, to shoot fireworks off, or sky or scuba diving.
Fear does not consume or compell me. You might be scared of those things. I'm not.
You worry about you. Your concerns are not relevant nor warranted.
You would think these morons would have learned from the Detroit disaster. It was once a beautiful city. But then came the promise of free stuff, and those people were voted into office. How to finance all that free stuff? Why, lets over tax and regulate the businesses here, and the biggest one were the car manufactures. But, they didn't realize businesses have money and resources to simply pack up and move on out to a more business friendly area. Plus, they also have the money to pay off congress to make laws allowing them to outsource jobs to Mexico, China, or other places that don't have high taxes, regulations and fees. And the cities they left ended up being populated by poor people and gangs.
Detroit collapsed because it was a one industry town so comparing it to New York is apples to oranges.
Duh! NY just keeps getting more socialist. Then they wonder why productive people are leaving. Productive people hate socialism! Cuomo is an absolute idiot.
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We’ve previously talked about the problems that New York State has in terms of hanging onto its population. People have been fleeing the state’s high taxes and oppressive liberal government for years now, dropping the state’s congressional representation by several members and putting the state through redistricting every census cycle. Rather than acknowledge what’s really the problem, however, Democratic leaders in the state government continually come up with new and interesting theories to blame these changes on. The latest is a real humdinger. Governor Andrew Cuomo came out this week and blamed the exodus on… Florida. (CBS Miami)
Well "Guv"..... maybe try moving away from Socialism, tell your welfare collecting bums to get a job, and to stop having kids you can't afford. That would be a good start!
Other increased costs add up and will chip away at any tax savings.
Electric rates are high. Unless you are an Iguana, you will need to run your AC 24/7 for a good 9 or 10 months out of the year. You do not need heat or AC in NY year round. Nice enough to open just a window for months in Spring.
Auto Insurance. When we moved from NY to Florida, the insurance company we used for 25 years wanted to nearly double our rates. Why with good driving records? They told us it was because the State of Florida does not mandate yearly inspections as NY does. As a result many people don't have their cars inspected, which causes more accidents. More accidents equal higher rates. Maybe another factor is the greater percentage of elderly drivers? Ask anyone who has lived in Florida about elderly drivers. lol
Much higher Water Bills. November through May is Dry Season when it rarely rains. Do not run your dishwasher or washing machine between the hours of etc. Wildfires. When the Everglades were burning, Alligator Alley, road between Naples and Ft. Lauderdale, was shut down. Think California is the only place with wildfires? I remember once fire officials were very worried that fires were approaching populated Ft. Lauderdale.
Many people just cannot see the forest for the trees. As many people on CD's Florida site say, "Do your homework, and find a job, before you move here.
Love how those that have never lived in NY have so much to say about those of us that choose to leave it.
I'm in western New York - not far from Niagara Falls and the Canadian border. The area is beautiful and you're never far from beaches or ski resorts. Unfortunately most of the manufacturing jobs having left the area - which means less disposable income while the taxes raise 5-10% every year. They have been closing schools in the area for the last 10 yrs and yet my school tax bill has doubled and is close to what I pay in county property taxes.
The towns here are always in the best places to retire due to the affordable housing - but these articles do not include the enormous taxes we pay - just the mean selling price of the homes.
There is the issue of Cuomo's hatred for guns - which affect many gun owners - including a good percentage that are Democrats.
I'm counting the days until we can leave this state and move south. Unless you live here - you have no idea how bad it is and why people are fleeing.
The cityiots voted my former towns police department out.
Our property assessments went up like crazy when they started to really kick off the luxury housing for the weekend/summer homes.
Used to be, you could live comfortably on 35-50k in that area.
Not any more.
When your 1,100 sqft lake side bungalow goes from an assessment of 85k To 315k, your property and school taxes combined go from 950 per year to almost 5,600 in a matter of 5 years... and you haven't added any value to your dwelling or property... There's a problem.
Especially when
The police were axed.
Fire and EMS was volunteer (I was a volunteer firefighter)
No "city" sewer or water (everyone had their own septic system and well that they were responsible for maintaining)
No garbage collection (had to purchase over priced garbage bags from the county waste site 50 bucks per roll of bags that would last maybe 3 months opposed to 50 dollars getting you a years worth at Walmart)
Garbage was an out of pocket expense after the ordinance was passed to ban burning garbage. What I pay in taxes here, was the same as paying for refuse services per year in NY.
No street lights. (Rural area)
No traffic lights. (Again. Rural area. Stop signs only)
Horrible roads. (They didn't pave roads in my town. They would rip the roads that were paved, up and throw crushed aggregate and tar down for us to compact with our vehicles. Nothing like scratches down to bare metal to be exposed to road salt come winter and the mess the tar made) the rest of the state is littered with potholes big enough to swallow a buick. The roads were better when they were still dirt! LOL
Then the heroin and fentanyl plague that came...
Oh boy. When 3 former local PD officers you are friends with, become state troopers and they tell you the new policy is not to make arrests at the scene of an overdose, that they are to administer narcan to reduce the stigma of addiction.
Trap houses proliferate.
Property crime proliferates. (Poetic justice came back for voting out the towns PD. Junkies were breaking into those weekend and summer homes despite having ADT security systems. They would steal anything of value, bust through walls and cut out copper water pipes for scrap yard money to get their next fix.)
The reason the towns PD was axed, all the speeding tickets with supporting depositions for having radar/laser detectors. The noise ordinance equally enforced. Sure we would get fix it tickets for loud exhaust. They would get fined for subwoofers blasting and the "local yacals", "townies", "hicks" that we were referred to as, started playing their game and calling the police to enforce the quiet time after 10pm on house parties.
Don't you dare have glasspacks or straight pipes on your truck or missing baffles in a harley. But it's okay to blast music and have obnoxious car alarms go off all hours of the night.
This is quite possibly the worst sound in the world.
Plate frames from a down state or NJ area dealer.
Euro or Japanese luxury brand.
That alarm was on it. And would go off all different times at night friday-sunday.
Our car insurance went up too. That will happen when you do 70mph+ and clobber Bambi in that BMW Audi Mercedes Jaguar Land Rover late at night.
Banned hunting friday-Sunday. We warned them what would happen between developing and axing loud exhaust...
Deer defy evolution. They don't look both ways before crossing. They just dart out.
However... if you have a roaring rumbling V8 or Vtwin they will freeze dead in their tracks. Deer, like busy bodies, are terrified of loud noises. Those "deer whistles" don't work. That's snake oil. I've seen many a car in my buddies body shops that had deer whistles, getting front end damage repaired.
Never mind what happened when they rezoned the lake I lived on to residential banning waterfowl hunting...
That was a disgrace.
That lake went from pristine and picturesque to a green murky swamp resembling cesspool.
DEC ENCON Health department placed signs up warning you not to go in the water with open wounds/cuts/sores. Not to eat the fish caught from that lake.
Ended waterfowl hunting, was an open invitation to Canadian geese to take over. Poetic justice strikes again-In 4 parts.
Part 1. Honking all hours of the night. Problematic tax funded solution that didn't work? Propane cannons. When they weren't dropping they'd shut up for about 10 minutes then resume honking.
Part 2. Introducing foreign vegetation. But insist it's coming from boats and that boats must be washed if they're not local to the area before entering the water... Should have passed that memo onto the geese.
Part 3. Geese aren't only poop factories with feathers, they are territorial.
They would attack the toy breed of dogs that they spent 1,000 or more on. If busy body Mcgees Yorkie or other yap trap ventured close to the shoreline, you'd see the wings extend and that vile bird would approach at rapid speed to peck at it and often times did succeed in its attack.
Part 4. Not only introduce foreign vegetation. Not only use the lake for breeding grounds and as a toilet contributing to algae growth.
Toxic plasmosis. Alot of the downstate transplants had this obsession with being barefoot or wearing sandals/flip flops in their yard... alot of them would succumb to microbial parasites and get violently sick.
Paid to end waterfowl hunting...
Same with the deer hunting. Ever see what a deer does to occupants of a car going 50+mph and it went through the windshield? I have. Not a pretty sight. Not a call I was fond of going to.
Deer only became a problem to the cityiots when they were so displaced they started venturing into their landscaped yards and devour anything and everything they could.
Due to the lack of hunting... they kept on reproducing at the same rate... wasting disorder became common. Orchard owners myself and farmers spoke out against it.
We warned what would happen... we were met with this incessantly regurgitate line of
"We are afraid to be shot during deer and turkey season!"
Wait a minute.
You moved to a rural area. Where hunting is not a sport, but a way folks feed themselves and their families... and you want to end it... because you're afraid of being shot? You wear bright neon spandex when you emulate Lance Armstrong on 18 speeds, or when you jog along the roads... Deer do not dress up like that... your fears are irrelevant...
Not good enough. You have grocery stores you troglodyte!
Yeah. Half an hour away.... opposed to hiking for 15 minutes with a rifle, muzzleloader, or shotgun and bagging game with meat to feed for a month or more.
Essentially they told us to go be poor somewhere else. And if things were that bad for us to apply for food stamps. How about. No.
So when a cityiot busy body of the Democratic or Rino persuasion comes along and tells you that they champion for the poor and down trodden. They dont. They hate people who can fend for themselves without relevancy to government programs. That's the gods honest truth. As long as there's a cause to raise taxes for... they'll exploit it. Funny part about the whole "food stamps" argument... many who applied, were denied because before taxes they "earned more money". You argue with tax bills and it falls on deaf ears. So, many sold and relocated to be poor somewhere else.
As a result... deer ravaged acres worth of crops that farmers had no recourse for.
Problematic solution?
Get DEC and ENCON to release mountain lions from Vermont to thin the deer population.
ROFL what could possibly go wrong with releasing apex predators into an area full of livestock?
Again. Myself and the farmers warned what would happen.
Mountain lions grabbed calves, alpaccas, colts, chickens, pigs, you name it. Again. No recourse for the farmers. Now when I say farmers, I mean your stereotypical blue jeans/overalls Jethro/Jed looking family ran farm. Not an industrial agricultural operation. Something that's been in a family for generations.
(2 of my dairy farmer friends supply Stewart's their milk for milk and icecream)
I attended every town hall meeting since I was in the 11th grade... I vehemently opposed the cityiot proposals. Spoke my mind and warned of what was coming if they implemented what they wanted... I met opposition from supposed conservative elected officials who said oh this is a win for us. No. It wasnt. A win for you getting paid to turn a blind eye under the table to appease busy body developers maybe.
Local businesses were either seasonal or temporary. Other than the dairy farms, the beef cattle farms, the slaughter house, horse ranches, the 3 body shops (2 were closed down they were working on the third one when I left), the veterinarian/cattle/equestrian office, various orchards that grew apples, raspberries, strawberries, blue berries, there was a vineyard but that got wiped out by deer, heavy equipment shop, GM dealership, gas station, diner, and pizza place... Temporary employment was found in skilled trades.
New house construction. Once the houses are done being built. So is your job. Whether you're a roofer, framer, heavy equipment operator, plumber, electrician, etc.
I drove 52 miles to work 6 days a week for 7 years... More if I had side work lined up.
Could I have sold and moved closer to work? Maybe. Problem with that was cityiots were moving in droves to that area as well and same thing happened there that happened in my town. Property taxes sky rocketed. Housing prices skyrocketed. 150k would get you guaranteed 50 60 70+ year old house with guaranteed need for roof and/or foundation work.
So. The choice was simple. Continue to watch my money disappear to taxes, funding my demise with everything I liked and partake in be outlawed through local level ordinances or Cuomos decree. Or move. I moved. Why stay and be miserable? Why remain in a state where it's governor not only discriminates against you, but actually encourages discrimination against you. Why continue funding it?
I held a firesale, sold my stock car, stock car trailer, backup engines, snowmobiles snow boards, everything I absolutely didn't need. Sold my house for 65k to beat capital gains tax. Drove 22 hours south to freedom.
I know where that tax money went...
Between all the good feelz programs and state worker pensions...
I'd bet if NY was audited, that's where the money went.
Ever watch CBS6 You Paid for It segments? I did.
Corruption exposed. And not a damn thing done about it. Like Cuomos Mooreland comission that ended when Shelly got popped.
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