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Duh! NY just keeps getting more socialist. Then they wonder why productive people are leaving. Productive people hate socialism! Cuomo is an absolute idiot.
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We’ve previously talked about the problems that New York State has in terms of hanging onto its population. People have been fleeing the state’s high taxes and oppressive liberal government for years now, dropping the state’s congressional representation by several members and putting the state through redistricting every census cycle. Rather than acknowledge what’s really the problem, however, Democratic leaders in the state government continually come up with new and interesting theories to blame these changes on. The latest is a real humdinger. Governor Andrew Cuomo came out this week and blamed the exodus on… Florida. (CBS Miami)
Has nothing to do with "socialism" and everything to do with our lifestyle down here, and the weather. As people age, they realize that living in 6 or more months of cold weather sucks. Down here, you can be out in shorts golfing, boating, or just walking in January or February, when people in places like NY are shoveling that white stuff.
What usually happens is, people come here for a vacation, they see how nice it is, then they come back again, this time for a longer period of time. Eventually, they become snowbirds, and come here for 6 or so months, then go back North for the Summer. Finally, they make the decision to just move here permanently.
I've lived in the North, the South, out West, and now here, and this is about as good as it gets.
Other increased costs add up and will chip away at any tax savings.
Electric rates are high. Unless you are an Iguana, you will need to run your AC 24/7 for a good 9 or 10 months out of the year. You do not need heat or AC in NY year round. Nice enough to open just a window for months in Spring..
My electric bills aren't astronomical. They were higher in NY when my ex couldn't be in a room under 80 degrees and would fire up an electric space heater and running a blow dryer combined with half hour long + showers.
Then again. I have no use for a 3k square foot+ house and vaulted ceilings. I could have a mcmansion if I wanted, complete with vaulted/high ceilings... but why pay all that money to FPL to cool it and dehumidify it?
Insulated, tinted, impact windows throughout the house. I thought it was snake oil until after the window guy said he'd replace my windows on the spot if I could manage to break one. I proceeded to haul off on my sliding glass door with an 8 pound sledge hammer. Didn't even scratch it. That window just laughed.
My place is very well insulated.
My sisters place wasn't. I hooked her up and got her lazy hubby to get off the Xbox one weekend and fixed that for her. She had horrible issues with condensation. Hilariously my brother in law went to college specifically for HVAC and yet... the house he lives in was inadequately insulated and air conditioned. Big difference between refrigeration and conditioning. Whoever installed the central air in their house must have skipped calculating CFM rates... it was either, gut the existing system entirely run the right sized flex and vents or add dampers. I added dampers after calculating for all of the drops in that house.
Similar to when I'd race stock cars and calculated for what jets for a carburetor and how much to open the venturis up...
That and insulated a few areas that needed it as there was an addition put onto the main house some years ago that insulation was an after thought or plain wasn't even considered.
Problem solved. Cut the potential mold/mildew problem and cut their electric bill a whole 20 dollars per month. Add insulated, tinted, impact proof windows and it would probably drop another 20+. However they have vaulted ceilings in their front living room and a fireplace in the rear living room/louge/bar.
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Auto Insurance. When we moved from NY to Florida, the insurance company we used for 25 years wanted to nearly double our rates. Why with good driving records? They told us it was because the State of Florida does not mandate yearly inspections as NY does. As a result many people don't have their cars inspected, which causes more accidents. More accidents equal higher rates. Maybe another factor is the greater percentage of elderly drivers? Ask anyone who has lived in Florida about elderly drivers. lol.
My insurance company tried that scheme on me.
When it comes to money and arbitrary edict I'm quite effective at proving their theory/justification wrong and saving money.
I told my insurance company I was a dealer mechanic, which I was. I take care of my stuff. Which I do. I see vehicles as tools and tangible investments. My insurance remained the same as it was when I lived in NY.
They tried the whole, theft angle. My house has a garage. My trucks have factory Vin etched windows, Onstar. Womp Womp.
You do have a valid point in no state inspections. Many a floridaman can be seen with the black contractors bag duct taped to where a window used to be, ball joints screaming as they maneuver into a parking space, 95 often looking like a mobile junkyard from a ball joint or tie rod letting go. Rear endings are common as the sunrise. That'll happen with brakes down to bare metal sounding like angle iron jammed into a bench grinder.
Priorities...
No money for maintaining and repairing vehicles. Supposedly.
Yet...
2k dollars in 20 inch+ chrome wheels.
2k+ in super loud stereo systems.
Then again... when there's folks from various different states AND Canada with different driving habits/laws they're used to...
Old people are a problem on the road.
It's not just a meme. It's true. I can take pictures of grandpa snow bird with the top down on a Mustang or targa top corvette or hell cat challenger vehicles easily capable of 150-200 miles per hour going 10 under the Posted speed limit in the left lane.
Between that and having to literally come to a complete stop to make a wide swing to enter a parking lot/plaza/restaraunt for that senior discount day... they are dangerous and ought to be ticketed for impeding the flow of traffic.
Millennials aren't exempt. If I had any say in the matter, every vehicle would come equipped with a scrambler that defeats the ability to text, access the internet/social media. Halfwits burn up green lights twiddling thumbs on that smart phone.
The state anthem is blasting car horns.
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Much higher Water Bills. November through May is Dry Season when it rarely rains. Do not run your dishwasher or washing machine between the hours of etc. Wildfires. When the Everglades were burning, Alligator Alley, road between Naples and Ft. Lauderdale, was shut down. Think California is the only place with wildfires? I remember once fire officials were very worried that fires were approaching populated Ft. Lauderdale.
Many people just cannot see the forest for the trees. As many people on CD's Florida site say, "Do your homework, and find a job, before you move here.
That's if you're solely dependent upon "city water".
Part of my business is drilling, installing wells, irrigation systems, water filtration systems. I cut folks water bills in half so they can maintain their yards without smelling like sewage or leaving rust and mineral stains all over everything. So long as you have proper filtration and an osmosis unit you can supplement washing clothes, bathing even drinking water with well water. Works for me. Unlike NY where my well was 400 feet in the ground, here? I typically drill 80-120 feet to get beyond the iron and sulphur. I think the deepest well I've had to drill so far was 160 feet.
Wildfires aren't a problem anymore. They do controlled burns every march-april. At least in my area they do.
For a couple weeks out of the year, you'll smell swamp under growth burning, see rolling clouds of smoke and occasionally get ash deposits. No big deal.
I did the same with forests in my former AO in upstate NY.
Hop in the brush truck with the captain and luitenant and grab the torch and make our way into the woods. Controlled burns are beneficial and an absolute must just about anywhere really...
All that needs to happen is irresponsible hikers/campers or a lightning strike to ignight a bed of pine needles/dead leaves and you can have California style wild fires in NY.
Dead debris is quite an accelerant.
Has nothing to do with "socialism" and everything to do with our lifestyle down here, and the weather.
Would you like to compare and contrast costs of living and services rendered/not available and the asinine taxes of NY and Florida.
Because we can...
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As people age, they realize that living in 6 or more months of cold weather sucks. Down here, you can be out in shorts golfing, boating, or just walking in January or February, when people in places like NY are shoveling that white stuff.
Cuomo isn't too concerned with losing retirees...
He's losing potential tax payers aged 20 something to 40 something...
Seasonal weather and "cold" is a reason, not the reason.
You can't be in denial until you live there...
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What usually happens is, people come here for a vacation, they see how nice it is, then they come back again, this time for a longer period of time. Eventually, they become snowbirds, and come here for 6 or so months, then go back North for the Summer. Finally, they make the decision to just move here permanently.
I've lived in the North, the South, out West, and now here, and this is about as good as it gets.
Somewhat.
More like.
Spend a week at my place. Realize they aren't a felon by decree and can own the very firearms Cuomo banned. Have expirience and skills for careers/jobs that exist here.
Compare taxes and costs of living.
Say yeah to hell with that and sell within the year of being down here. Especially when you compare property tax bills. Ours in Florida are itemized. We see what every penny goes to. NY would need a FOIA to see where the money goes. You just get a bill in the mail to pay $x,xxx/$xx,xxx to the crown. That however applies to 20 and 30 somethings more so than 40-50 somethings looking to retire and not have to shovel or plow or pay someone else to shovel or plow.
Your hobby of hot rodding and restoring classic cars, better comply with NY rules...
Can't build a T bucket or fiberglass 32 roadster and be without a modern emissions system unless you found a registration or VIN from an old one...
Have a flashy paint job or something that gets the state revenue generators attention either loud exhaust or altered ride height. Or lap belts... you're getting yanked over.
My 85 C10 was notorious outside of my town for getting yanked over.
No roof.
Lap belts warranted a stop because they didn't see the shoulder belt.
60s T bird red.
Frame rails sat a couple inches from the ground.
Their problem for altered ride height was my loophole.
At the time and I'm sure it's been revised, the rule on ride height was for headlights. Headlights could only be so high or so low from the ground when measured from the pavement to the middle of the headlamp.
Chevy C10s have Headlights mounted at the top of the upper support
Oh that used to tick off the state troopers in court when they'd show up for that ticket... ohhh were they upset that ticket didn't stick
My built 327 T10 swapped S10 that I built when I was 16, had Hooker Long Tubes for a 72 camaro feeding glasspacks exiting just behind the cab with the tips angled outwards. The angle of the primary tubes was just right for exhaust ports 5 and 7 to clear the steering shaft.
Flat foot it in 2nd to grab 3rd they'd hit the red and blues. (Then again you know what happens when you raise compression and add a cam with lift and duration Snap Crackle and Pop ) Followed by fix it ticket.
Go put beer keg mufflers on get the town judge or chief of police to sign off on the ticket later that day, go back to court and have it tossed.
All of my lifted trucks were fine so long as I stayed within the county. Drive to my cousins out in Scarsdale or Poughkeepsie and guaranteed ticket for ride height and exhaust.
We have been doing that for decades. SE Florida is known as the 5th borough of NYC.
If this is escalating, it means home prices down here will go up, and that politically FL is turning from purple to blue.
I don't see many middle class retirees living there full time, it makes sense for millionaires to declare residency in Fla after the tax reform but not many working class. Best to keep the exemptions in NY if they are middle class and keeping both homes. Summers are miserable there and many don't want to move away from their families full time.
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Has nothing to do with "socialism" and everything to do with our lifestyle down here, and the weather. As people age, they realize that living in 6 or more months of cold weather sucks. Down here, you can be out in shorts golfing, boating, or just walking in January or February, when people in places like NY are shoveling that white stuff.
What usually happens is, people come here for a vacation, they see how nice it is, then they come back again, this time for a longer period of time. Eventually, they become snowbirds, and come here for 6 or so months, then go back North for the Summer. Finally, they make the decision to just move here permanently.
I've lived in the North, the South, out West, and now here, and this is about as good as it gets.
I disagree having lived for 10 years in Naples. I worked as a special needs TA in Collier Public Schools, and had to take the kids out for recess after lunch in 90+ degrees. Took my cue from the Mexican and Haitian women and wore long sleeves and long pants and walked around under an umbrella. Wore the same clothes when it got into the 50's when these Northern Transplants were wearing parkas, scarves, and gloves. They called me the Polar Bear. When you have been here for a long time (10 years not enough?) or get older (60's too young?), your blood will thin and you will be cold. Really? Woman, you are from MINNESOTA. Why are you freezing cold in 50 degrees? It is all in your head. I NEVER got adjusted to heat and humidity, and was 68 years old when I moved.
Do you remember when that Bio Tech company wanted to move to Immokalee? Rick Scott was offering all sorts of incentives for them to move their business. He kept saying all the JOBS this company would bring to Florida. Never happened. Their current employees did not want to move to Florida, even with same salaries and moving expenses. They also said they could not find the local "talent" to replace these employees.
No "local talent" was the reason my out of work Mainframe husband was hired by that IT company. Nothing to do with WANTING to move to Florida. When he announced his retirement, this software firm when looking all around for his replacement. People from Tampa and Jacksonville didn't want to accept a lower salary, and leave their families.
They eventually hired a 50+ aged man from California, who also had been out of work. He certainly did not move to Florida from California for the weather. Very similar to my husband's situation.
Edit: Maybe Governor Desantis can entice Amazon to move to Immokalee? They won't have to worry about the local talent pool there. lol
I don't see many middle class retirees living there full time, it makes sense for millionaires to declare residency in Fla after the tax reform but not many working class. Best to keep the exemptions in NY if they are middle class and keeping both homes. Summers are miserable there and many don't want to move away from their families full time.
I do see them here. They are all over the place, and not only retirees, but working age people too.
We have been doing that for decades.[ SE Florida is known as the 5th borough of NYC.
If this is escalating, it means home prices down here will go up, and that politically FL is turning from purple to blue.
It's actually referred to as the 6th. borough not the 5th.!
As for Governor Cuomo maybe he needs a history lesson on the unique bond that has existed between FL & NY.
Most of Florida's Atlantic seaboard was founded & developed by Standard Oil tycoon Henry Flagler , a New Yorker who used his incredible wealth to build a railroad and resorts that catered to wealthy northerners in the late 19th. century.
He is known as the father of Miami and Palm Beach, Florida.
The most heavily traveled air route on the US east coast is between Miami/SE Florida and NYC.
As for wealthy New Yorkers moving to Florida this has been going on for decades and they have influenced the state in many ways.
Gov. Cuomo should know that Florida has been a outpost for New Yorkers for a very long time now.
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