The rich are overtaxed, low income parents are undertaxed (cost, dollar, school)
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That's why everyone needs to have some skin in the game. No matter how poor you are - which means you and your kids get Medicaid, food stamps, subsidized housing, free lunches and breakfasts at school, etc., - everyone needs to pay a minimum of $60 a year in federal income tax. Besides raising a fortune from the half (!!!) of all Americans who pay nothing at all, people who have skin in the game would appreciate everything the government gives them.
This also applies to doctor visits. It's unfair that I, a middle class earner, cannot afford the 3x a week physical therapy - at $140 a session - recommended by my doctor while poor people whom I am subsidizing are provided it free of charge. I say $10 co-pay for every visit, and $25 at the ER (unless it's a true emergency, in which case it drops to $10).
And P.S. Before liberals berate me for not having health insurance, I do....bought off the Obamacare exchange. Translation: I have to pay for everything anyway.
Employer based insurance sure hasn't improved either. Many have moved to HSA's in which even the best plan has a deductible of $6000 so I would be in your same boat. I wouldn't want to pay for PT either.
We need some better solutions than what we currently have.
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Originally Posted by chopchop0
The ultra rich and ultra poor have the lowest effective tax rates, while the middle and merely rich take it on the chin
The middle class always takes it on the chin! I want someone to look out for US for a change as opposed to solely working for the extremes at both ends.
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Originally Posted by evilcart
the highest earners in the USA are paying the lowest taxes in a century.....
Yet we still have lower income Right wingers coming here complaining the rich are getting taxed too much.
Exactly.
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Originally Posted by Cheesemont
People who work hard to raise good children can use the help. I raised five children who have now grown up to be solid producing Trump-voting Christian conservatives. I was deserving of this help.
And what about those that have 5 hard working liberal Democrats? Are they also deserving of the child tax credit?
I think it is deserved for anyone. Children are expensive and people are already crying that middle class white folks aren't having enough children. The reason they don't is because it's too expensive.
Who is going to pay for my Medicare if the population doesn't reproduce???????????
First of all, we have a 22 trillion dollar debt, the rich aren't paying for others
I'll believe that when the Fed Gov stops spending $900 billion/year on means-tested public assistance programs. That money is taken from taxpayers, of whom the highest income earners pay the highest average effective federal income tax rate. They are indeed forced into slavery by the government for the specific benefit/gain of others.
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Interesting you claim the rich having to pay a higher tax rate is gov't forced slavery, when people getting shafted out of fair pay are the ones being treated like slaves. We have people with full-time jobs living in their cars in some parts of the country, or living three generations in one household. No sir, slavery was slavery; workers working & living in unsafe conditions while getting paid hardly anything during the industrial revolution was slavery; and today the disparity of wages where people can't even save $400 for an emergency is another form of slavery. People with your frame of mind are pushing the younger generations towards socialism/Communism, something we definitely don't need, and something they don't fully understand.
How are they "shafted out of fair pay?" Their pay is low because there's always someone else who will do their job for less. THAT'S the problem: a glut of workers at certain skills set levels, which keeps wages depressed. Want to keep low-income Americans perpetually poor? Import tens of millions of under-educated, no/low-skill illegal aliens who will work for less. That strategy is working for the Dems quite well.
I'll believe that when the Fed Gov stops spending $900 billion/year on means-tested public assistance programs. That money is taken from taxpayers, of whom the highest income earners pay the highest average effective federal income tax rate. They are indeed forced into slavery by the government for the specific benefit/gain of others.
How are they "shafted out of fair pay?" Their pay is low because there's always someone else who will do their job for less. THAT'S the problem: a glut of workers at certain skills set levels, which keeps wages depressed. Want to keep low-income Americans perpetually poor? Import tens of millions of under-educated, no/low-skill illegal aliens who will work for less. That strategy is working for the Dems quite well.
That's part of it, but don't think Republicans aren't all for it as well. Neither party has cracked down hard enough on businesses that hire illegals. Keep the poor as poor as possible and having as much diversity as possible to keep the masses at odds with each other. Makes it tough for legal citizens to band together to get corrupt politicians and political parties out of D.C..
That's part of it, but don't think Republicans aren't all for it as well.
"Build the wall" has nothing to do with curbing illegal immigration, huh? Look at which political party is fighting so hard to maintain sanctuary cities/states, fighting against physically securing the border, and even as Beto admits, would tear down the border walls/fencing that already exist. How gullible ARE you? /SMH
"Build the wall" has nothing to do with curbing illegal immigration, huh? Look at which political party is fighting so hard to maintain sanctuary cities/states, fighting against physically securing the border, and even as Beto admits, would tear down the border walls/fencing that already exist. How gullible ARE you? /SMH
If anyone is clueless its you, and wilfully so. If Republicans had wanted to fix the problems with illegal immigration they would have long ago. Good 'ol G.W. wanted them to think of him as their Amigo-in-Chief. And did you not watch the Republican debates or what candidates were saying on the campaign trail? Trump was the only one saying they all had to go back, which I doubted he believed by the way (and I'm being proven right since he wants to grant amnesty to Dreamers plus more.). Even Cruz refused to say he'd send illegals back to their native lands, until he was pretty much out of the running, and while pressed hard on the issue on Fox News after dodging the question he finally said he'd be open to a discussion about it.
Recall the debate where Rubio & Cruz were in a catfight about who had to go back, looking at each other behind Trump, with Trump chiming in "They all have to go back. Even the children.". Donald was the only candidate willing to say that. Certainly wasn't Jeb Bush or John Kasich, or Rubio, or Cruz....etc., etc., etc.
And I've watched enough Senate floor speeches over the years to have seen John McCain looking at the camera while speaking calling Americans bigoted and racists for wanting illegals sent back. And how exactly do you think Lindsey Grahamnesty got that cute little moniker? Hmmmmm? Got a quick response to that one 'informedconsent'? Informed consent maybe to spin as much as humanly possible, I'd say. Yawn.
I've wasted enough of my Sunday morning trying to wake people up here in this thread. The day is passing by quickly and so much to do. I've had enough spinning and stretching the truth, and outright falsehoods for one Blessed morning.
If anyone is clueless its you, and wilfully so. If Republicans had wanted to fix the problems with illegal immigration they would have long ago.
They're doing so now. Build the wall. Get on board. That is, unless you think tens of millions of illegal aliens undercutting low-income and low-middle class Americans' wages is the moral thing to do, as do the Democrats.
And the Dems' sanctuary cities/states? Really? That's a local/state mandate for the continued depression of wages for those at the lower skill sets and lower education levels.
You're implying every high earner is a business owner, when most of them are frat boys and girls working as execs and managers in large companies/corporations.
I've worked for many companies and only one paid the lowest level employees what I considered a fair wage (around $13.50 starting out once hired in). Wasn't going to make them wealthy but at least they could pay their basic bills and have something left over. Unfortunately, I was working a temporary assignment at that company to work a special project, no chance of being hired in.
Hard to start a business with your own money, get a loan to, or a combination of the two when you are being cheated out of a fair hourly wage or salary. Banks want you to have skin in the game before they'll consider you for a loan, even then its tough to get one. Impossible when you can't save anything, There's a very good reason so many Americans live paycheck to paycheck and can't cover a $400 emergency. And that is the same reason there is such disparity in wages, and why the wealthy pay the vast majority of taxes while still having such low effective tax rates.
It is absolutely disgusting how business owners and business execs and managers look down on lower level workers in companies as if they are vagrants and beggars in the building.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion (above), but your attempt to demonize my point is a deflection rather than a substantive response.
You see... There's the problem. You, too, have swallowed the left's propaganda lies hook, line, and sinker without verifying the accuracy of the data. STOP being a part of the mindless idiot parrots demographic and START thinking for yourself!
FYI, hedge fund managers pay a 23.8% effective federal income tax rate: 20% capital gains tax rate plus a 3.8% investment tax rate.
Lol. Yes, I said that. So you do understand that 23.8% < 37%, right? I'm waiting to hear why it is ok to pay 23.8 on 1 billion salary. And why my family (middle class) pays higher rate.
The middle class pays nowhere close to 3% income tax rate, but nice try.
Not true. Look at the IRS's data. I posted the links.
You're just angry that you're being repeatedly duped by the Dems. You can change that, you know... Start thinking for yourself!
Stop lying to us and yourself. Plenty pay more than a 23.8% effective tax rate. Obviously you are an out of touch hedge fund manager who doesn't care for those of us paying 37-39.6% top rates on our w-2 income.
Lol. Yes, I said that. So you do understand that 23.8% < 37%, right?
Have you somehow NOT realized that 23.8% is less than the 3% average federal income tax rate the middle class pays?
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The middle class pays nowhere close to 3% income tax rate, but nice try.
According to the CRS and the FAS, on average, they do. The IRS also concurs. I've posted all the links to the CRS/FAS data and IRS data spreadsheets.
Take a look at the chart, again, that shows the average effective federal income tax each group pays, based on in which income group they are. Chart on page 10, here: https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R45145.pdf.
STOP believing lefty propaganda lies, and START thinking for yourself!
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