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Old 02-17-2019, 03:58 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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My point is, these are bipartesan bills. Of course they're not law yet. But both sides know there should be a legal path to citizenship.
There should not be a legal path to citizenship unless it is traded for something big.
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Old 02-17-2019, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee
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Jesus. It would be so much easier if I didn't have to keep fact checking these kinds of posts. Research people. Research. Stop listening to the liar-in-chief and actually try learning the facts.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ll/2591279002/
1. I never said how heroin came into the country.

2. Just because drugs come into the country in multiple ways is no reason to stop securing those areas.

3. Drugs are not the only problem.

I don't mind people getting these things wrong but think before you post especially when you are not in control of your dislike for the president long enough to type the paragraph.
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Old 02-17-2019, 04:34 PM
 
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It's really that simple.

One of the basic ideas of the Constitution is that (1) Presidents don't make the laws, and (2) certain powers - including Power of the Purse - are reserved for the Congress.

With this "national emergency," you conservatives support your guy just bypassing Congress altogether and implementing his policies (which he couldn't get support through Congress) via royal decree.

That's basically called a dictatorship. Might as well disband Congress and just annoint Donald as King.

If you're for this stuff, then you're opposed to the spirit and concept of the Constitution.



funny, that Democrats didn't say a word when Obama and Clinton use the national emergency powers many times and since Vietnam, we have been in wars and occupations that Congress didn't declared war. A clear violation of the constitution.


when Congress told Obama not to GO in Syria and he went there anyway....was that a violation of the Constitution? How about Obama on DACA, was that a violation of the constitution?......where was the ACLU suing Obama? LOL
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Old 02-17-2019, 04:35 PM
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Obama never did this because he was trying to get around a vote of the Congress. The Congress has, according to the Constitution, the "power of the purse."............

You may notice that every one was about blocking the property of various groups of people. Not one was over a spending bill or authorization of funds.
Early in the 20th Century.....Congress refused to appropriate enough money so President Theodore Roosevelt could send the fleet around the world.

His quote...more or less....†I am sending the fleet around the world, does Congress want it to return home?â€.

This battle between Congress and President’s on appropriation has been going on for years. This is NOTHING NEW.....read your history books.

Re-allocation of Federal funds is done all the time. As a Federal employee every August my budget was subject to “reallocationâ€.

President Trump is following the law. The interpretation of the Courts...well, they are interpretations of Trumps actions.
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Old 02-17-2019, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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One of the basic ideas of the Constitution is that (1) Presidents don't make the laws, and (2) certain powers - including Power of the Purse - are reserved for the Congress.

With this "national emergency," you conservatives support your guy just bypassing Congress altogether and implementing his policies (which he couldn't get support through Congress) via royal decree.

That's basically called a dictatorship. Might as well disband Congress and just annoint Donald as King.

If you're for this stuff, then you're opposed to the spirit and concept of the Constitution.
The first duty of every sovereign is to provide for the national security of the State.

If Congress fails or refuses to do that, then it's up to the sovereign to make it happen.

Notwithstanding the fact that the Main-Stream Media and Pundits have totally corrupted the definition of "Failed State" for their own devious purposes, one of the hallmarks of a Failed State is the inability to control, secure or defend its borders.

Sometimes, but not always, the inability to control, secure or defend borders results in a Failed State.

I'm not suggesting the US is a Failed State, I'm simply pointing out that the US has something in common with a Failed State.

The US Supreme Court has repeatedly stated in decisions issued beginning with the Truman Administration, and most recently during the Clinton Administration and two decisions during the Bush Administration, that a President may exercise all of the inherent powers and rights of a sovereign, plus those powers defined in the Constitution, plus extra-Constitutional powers (the US Supreme Court cites the Articles of Confederation, the Declaration of Independence, the Continental Congress and the Stamp Tax Congress) that are not expressly limited or denied in the Constitution.

So, the only thing happening here is the President is exercising his duties as sovereign, and not only is a US President the head-of-State, he's also the Chief Diplomat, the Commander-in-Chief, the Chief Law Enforcement Agent and the Head of the Executive Branch, and he's exercising those duties within the confines of the Constitution.

The power to levy taxes is an inherent right and power of a sovereign, however our Constitution denies the sovereign that right and gives that power to the House.

But, that's only the power to tax, not the power to spend.

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say only the House, or only the Congress has the power to spend.

A President can spend that money anyway he sees fit, and if he sees fit to spend it on national security, that is both his right and duty.

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Old 02-17-2019, 05:19 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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It's really that simple.

One of the basic ideas of the Constitution is that (1) Presidents don't make the laws, and (2) certain powers - including Power of the Purse - are reserved for the Congress.

With this "national emergency," you conservatives support your guy just bypassing Congress altogether and implementing his policies (which he couldn't get support through Congress) via royal decree.

That's basically called a dictatorship. Might as well disband Congress and just annoint Donald as King.

If you're for this stuff, then you're opposed to the spirit and concept of the Constitution.
Congress passed the law that allows it.
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Old 02-17-2019, 05:27 PM
 
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It's really that simple.

One of the basic ideas of the Constitution is that (1) Presidents don't make the laws, and (2) certain powers - including Power of the Purse - are reserved for the Congress.

With this "national emergency," you conservatives support your guy just bypassing Congress altogether and implementing his policies (which he couldn't get support through Congress) via royal decree.

That's basically called a dictatorship. Might as well disband Congress and just annoint Donald as King.

If you're for this stuff, then you're opposed to the spirit and concept of the Constitution.
Good grief...

The corrupt news media are primarily responsible for trolling the public with "national emergency". It's mindless propaganda and you are buying right into it. Obama declared 12 "national emergencies" for crying out loud, the vast majority of which were not particularly pressing, and the media didn't bat an eye...

Trump is exercising his executive power to build the wall that he promised his supporters he would build. Hypocritical democrats refuse to work with Trump on the basis that they personally hate his guts... that, in and of itself, is not helpful or constructive. Why isn't this being discussed more???

Whether you like him or not, and whether you like the wall or not, he's pulling through on a campaign promise to get the wall built... we all knew this was coming, and the lame media are acting like it came out of nowhere. Give me a break.
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Old 02-17-2019, 05:28 PM
 
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... The power to levy taxes is an inherent right and power of a sovereign, however our Constitution denies the sovereign that right and gives that power to the House.

But, that's only the power to tax, not the power to spend.

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say only the House, or only the Congress has the power to spend.

A President can spend that money anyway he sees fit, and if he sees fit to spend it on national security, that is both his right and duty.
Are you talking about any money that Congress has appropriated to the Executive Branch or only those funds reachable under the National Emergencies Act?
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Old 02-17-2019, 06:11 PM
 
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1. I never said how heroin came into the country.

2. Just because drugs come into the country in multiple ways is no reason to stop securing those areas.

3. Drugs are not the only problem.

I don't mind people getting these things wrong but think before you post especially when you are not in control of your dislike for the president long enough to type the paragraph.
Great response!!!!
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Old 02-17-2019, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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It's really that simple.

One of the basic ideas of the Constitution is that (1) Presidents don't make the laws, and (2) certain powers - including Power of the Purse - are reserved for the Congress.

With this "national emergency," you conservatives support your guy just bypassing Congress altogether and implementing his policies (which he couldn't get support through Congress) via royal decree.

That's basically called a dictatorship. Might as well disband Congress and just annoint Donald as King.

If you're for this stuff, then you're opposed to the spirit and concept of the Constitution.
"I've got a phone and a pen."
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