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Old 02-18-2019, 06:54 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Sigh.

Dawes roll.
Dawes roll.
Dawes roll.
Dawes roll.
Dawes roll.
Dawes roll.

Looking like something means nothing.
Being something also means nothing.

Warren's crime is deceit and fraud. Her method (claiming Cherokee) is just the apparatus in which to mock her.
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:13 AM
 
Location: OH->FL->NJ
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Being something also means nothing.

Warren's crime is deceit and fraud. Her method (claiming Cherokee) is just the apparatus in which to mock her.
And it is so easily disproven. Her ancestry has been traced. NO INDIANS after 1820. It is doubtful the 1/1024 is even true. The NA part is background noise.

I might be around 1/1024 Creek. I have ancestors in the GA frontier in the late 1700s complete with a mystery female ancestor whose family name does not appear in white records. Ya know what that will get me? Absolutely nothing because it is a maximum of less than 1/10th of 1%.
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:17 AM
 
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I have red hair and freckles and I have more Native American ancestry than she does. Difference is I know it isn’t enough to list it down on official documents to try to get the benefits afforded to them.
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:46 AM
 
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I would imagine the question of "What Makes Someone American Indian?" can be similarly asked in countries with other indigenous populations, like Australia and the Aborigines. I think it is using family lineage, DNA tests when applicable, and tribal citizenship histories that are key.
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Old 02-29-2020, 07:39 AM
 
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A white person, black person, Asian, "Latino" etc. can marry into the Cherokee nation and become a member.
This is completely untrue and spoken from a place of ignorance that needs to be swiftly addressed. In order to be a "member" of a federally recognized tribe, *lineage* needs to be documented to the appropriate rolls to obtain a certified degree of Indian blood issued by the IBA. This states your "tribal" connection to a tribe(s). Only then can they go through the enrollment process with the tribe. Most tribes, enrollment is closed and open for only children under the age of 18.
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Old 02-29-2020, 08:03 AM
 
Location: Boston
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Warren lied, a Native American somewhere was denied an opportunity because of her lie.
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Old 02-29-2020, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Heart of the desert lands
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Another angry far leftist activist that spent years in higher education was Ward Churchill. He too claimed to be NA (with varying degrees of "purity" over the years) , but was denounced by the actual NA tribes he claimed he belonged to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_Churchill

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Old 02-29-2020, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Throughout most of Trump’s adult life he claimed to be Swedish based on his family’s oral history. He claimed so in print in the Art of the Deal.

His father made it up because being German did not go over well with Jewish immigrant tenants living in his tenement apartments.

There are reasons to like or dislike Warren. A belief in her family’s oral history is not one of them.
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Old 02-29-2020, 09:20 AM
 
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[quote=Eumaois;54464982]I would imagine the question of "What Makes Someone American Indian?" can be similarly asked in countries with other indigenous populations, like Australia and the Aborigines. I think it is using family lineage, DNA tests when applicable, and tribal citizenship histories that are key.[/QUOT

The terminology Native AMERICAN is wrong. Indigenous Peoples is more accurate. DIL did her DNA and was shocked to get 15% Native American. Her family did not come to the States from Puerto Rico until the 1950's, and never left NYC.

Indigenous Peoples (Taino Tribe) of Puerto Rico; similar to what you said about Australian Aborigines.
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Old 02-29-2020, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Denver and Boston
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To me the most curious aspect of the fakeahontas saga is/was her efforts to subordinate herself to the 'tribal elders'. She would say that only the Tribal Elders can say whether or not someone is native american. This may in fact be true from some legal standpoint (I assume it is even though I don't know the law here), but it is a ridiculous state of affairs. Current inexpensive DNA testing can provide an accurate and precise calculation of how much native american DNA you have, that should be the sole metric for claiming native american heritage. Her affirmation of the power of Tribal Elders in this regard shows that both EW and Tribal Elders understand the power that being an "oppressed minority" conveys upon not only the holder, but also the grantor.
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