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Old 02-20-2019, 09:32 AM
 
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If they are making $50,000 or less, they shouldn't be having children.
That is the attitude that will ensure this kind of socialism happens.
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Old 02-20-2019, 09:38 AM
 
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Car mechanic.....plumber.....HVAV technician.....LPNs.....plenty of marketable fields that don't require a 4-year degree. And, yes....it is cheap. Cheap enough to be covered by Pell Grants.

C students should not be going to college. Either they drop out or flunk out (what a waste of money) or college will be dumbed down to allow medicore students to earn what will then be a meaningless B.A.

Sorry, but college is not for everyone. For the so-so kids, they need to learn a trade.
That has already happened but some people do not want to admit it. They want to believe their college grad kid is very smart.
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Old 02-20-2019, 09:40 AM
 
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That has already happened but some people do not want to admit it. They want to believe their college grad kid is very smart.
True. But it will accelerate the downward spiral.

As it stands now, those who graduate from college are are the same level as those who graduated from high school 30 - 40 years ago.
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Old 02-20-2019, 09:40 AM
 
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You are way too attacking in your tone.

The fact is that high school students who squeak by with below-average grades will, as a group, do poorly in college compared to their B and above classmates. As it stands now, only about 60% of those entering college graduate with a degree six - not four but SIX - years later, the rest having amassed tens of thousands of debt with little to no marketable skills. I assure you that the C students are pulling that average down. Why would that be so hard to believe?

A C student wants to go to college? Fine? But not on the taxpayer's dime. It's a poor risk-reward "investment" and with resources limited, it's much better to apply that investment to students who are more likely to succeed. That would be the high school students with better grades, who have already demonstrated they can master classroom instruction.

This isn't rocket science here.
but C is not "below average", it is "average".
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Old 02-20-2019, 09:43 AM
 
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but C is not "below average", it is "average".
Not with grade inflation. The average high school GPA is above 2.0, meaning that high school grads that are a straight C are below average.

If a mediocre student wants a run at college, have at it. But Mommy and Daddy need to shoulder the risk. Not other people.
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Old 02-20-2019, 10:14 AM
 
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Wow some are saying $50,000 is too low to have children, which i sadly agree today (even though I did it). The medial household income in many states including mine (Florida) is at or less than $50,000 and if this economy has not moved wages by much then nothing will in the near future.


This means we have a gap in people who will likely have more than 1 child, the middle class. The same economic class that is disappearing all together.
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Old 02-20-2019, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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If you look at one extreme of college for all irrespective of their grades and mental ability and other side wanting everyone to pay on their own even if they do not have the ability to pay but are able to pass the academic muster, yes this is a centrist approach.


Look at what is happening now. People getting into colleges when they should not and then drop put ans waste resources. And are saddled with tuition debt. They should have gone to vocational schools.
Or the scarcity in tech and other STEM areas. We want engineers but can't produce enough and hence import them. And people want to restrict immigration. So why not have develop the talent within USA and make those fields more affordable. Instead we dole out federal loans for all and when a student does a 4 year 200K college in 13th century Italian art and cant find a job, they go for loan forgiveness jobs that pay minimum wage. And the loan forgiveness is paid by tax payers like you and me. So why not pay for college in the fields the US needs and let people pay for their own wants.


By being neither a staunch democrat or republican I have the ability to compromise and work with both and look at what is good for the country.
It's a particular problem because U.S. companies don't want to train in-house any longer.
They would rather import workers from India and other countries where it is possible to attain a degree at very low cost.

For all of our rah-rah talk, we are simply not educationally competitive.

I read yesterday that Kaiser is starting their own medical school that will, like NYU's, be tuition free.
This is what we need more of in this country.

" Healthcare giant Kaiser Permanente announced plans Tuesday to open a new medical school in Pasadena in 2020 which will offer free tuition to students.
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Prospective students can begin to apply in June of this year. Kaiser said that it will be waiving all four years of tuition for its first five graduating classes."

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2019...-free-tuition/
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Old 02-20-2019, 10:21 AM
 
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I'd like to know why is child care so damn expensive to begin with? Nearly 10,000 per year in some cases. Isn't that a bit much? What is causing this high inflation?

When the government starts providing "free" childcare the cost will triple.
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Old 02-20-2019, 10:24 AM
 
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Yes. People def would turn down a raise if it put them over the income threshhold and in turn cost them money.
Quote your sources for your data.
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Old 02-20-2019, 10:26 AM
 
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I don’t plan on needing either. But your post is wrong, if I do collect those I will have paid for them through my payroll taxes my whole life.
You paid for those who already retired, old, sick and maybe dead. Those who come after you are paying to support the programs so you can benefit. That is how it works. It is not enough if you buy insurance for your car. If everyone else don't buy insurance you will get nothing.
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