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Old 02-22-2019, 02:20 PM
 
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I do understand your point. But we have gone SO FAR to the other side, and support stupidity and irresponsibility to such an extent, and subsidize bad character so completely, that it seems that what I am advocating sounds like utopian dreaming. But it really is not. It’s basic common sense not to bring kids into the world until you are married to a good person and have the financial and logistical basics of life mapped out and addressed.

And it’s not impossible or a dream. It can definitely be done, if people have the right priorities. We should get rid of all the politically correct bull$hit being taught in schools, and replace it with Life Logistics. To hell with history, sociology, language, religion, and culture. Cut that stuff back 75%. It is not all that important and can be learned in college. Replace it with real world skills such as money, budgeting, retirement planning, emergency planning, finance, mortgages, 401-Ks, job skills, nutrition, reproductive planning, personal communication skills, computer skills, tax planning, banking, consumer loans, health savings accounts, logic, philosophy, how to learn, how to identify reality, etc. Kids need to know how to operate in their best interests in the REAL world. They are not learning enough on how to live real life day to day.

The result is a dope who can’t figure out what to do, or how to do it, or even how to prioritize and think about it. And that dope will elect a tyrant like Pocahantas or Bernie Sanders or Occasional Cortex because they are promising free stuff that is not free.
I agree. Mostly.
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Old 02-22-2019, 02:21 PM
 
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Yes we do, by our votes.
Because every candidate you vote for is going to do 100% what you wanted them to do or what they said they would do?
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Old 02-22-2019, 02:31 PM
 
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Why should single, working people with no kids have to pay for people who can't pay for their own kids?

If a couple chooses to both work and have kids then they have chosen the dual-income family life which necessitates paying for child care. I'm not subsidizing their decision.
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Old 02-22-2019, 02:50 PM
 
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In the big picture, success IS a zero sum game.
No, it is not.

Mathematician and Economist Gerard Debreau of UC Berkeley won the Nobel Prize in Economics in 1983 for his pioneering work in General Equilibrium Theory. He proved it is not a zero sum game.
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Old 02-22-2019, 03:05 PM
 
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Even after this tax cut there is record amount of share buyback happening.
Share buybacks are a wonderful thing. It gets cash out of the corporation that doesn't have the best investment choices at the moment and into the hands of investors who invest in other companies who need cash to invest.

Everyone is better off.
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Old 02-22-2019, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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No, it is not.

Mathematician and Economist Gerard Debreau of UC Berkeley won the Nobel Prize in Economics in 1983 for his pioneering work in General Equilibrium Theory. He proved it is not a zero sum game.
Actually it is, because if everyone could be successful at the same time, all grocery stores, movie theaters, restaurants, bowling alleys etc would all go out of business since they wouldn't have any employees
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Old 02-22-2019, 04:26 PM
 
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Actually it is, because if everyone could be successful at the same time, all grocery stores, movie theaters, restaurants, bowling alleys etc would all go out of business since they wouldn't have any employees
No, you are misapprehending success. A person is a success if they maximize their personal potential and live honorably and independently without vampiring and thieving off their fellow citizens. So, a person of low ability and talent who works hard at Walmart and shows up every day and does a good job but has to live in a share situation and walk to work, is a success. It's a matter of living with honor and autonomy. It is true that not everyone has a lot of talent and some people will always be ordinary and will never be wealthy or an influencer of others. But they can still be a success if they make the most of what they have. Instead of dredging up their worst sewer selves and becoming a leftist.
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Old 02-22-2019, 08:24 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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No, you are misapprehending success. A person is a success if they maximize their personal potential and live honorably and independently without vampiring and thieving off their fellow citizens. So, a person of low ability and talent who works hard at Walmart and shows up every day and does a good job but has to live in a share situation and walk to work, is a success. It's a matter of living with honor and autonomy. It is true that not everyone has a lot of talent and some people will always be ordinary and will never be wealthy or an influencer of others. But they can still be a success if they make the most of what they have. Instead of dredging up their worst sewer selves and becoming a leftist.
That's not success, that's relative poverty. Success in this country is being able to afford a house, have a kid or two, a new car and occasional vacation here or there; you know, the stereotypical middle class existence.
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Old 02-22-2019, 08:37 PM
 
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It's not even just Trump.

Bernie started all of this insanity back during the 2016 race. He got a decent amount of the votes and if the DNC hadn't buried him, who knows.

I think it's him that started this mad dash to race to the left by the Dems. Look at all of the upcoming Dems, they all sound fools with the give me free pony rides and siting on Santa's lap attitude. This giving away "free" stuff nonsense that they peddle.

America is seems has lost it's grit, to some degree. I understand that sometimes things in life happen and we a hand up at times, but damn. We're going to far away from our traditional get out there and get yours mentality that this country was founded on.
It's real hard to "get out there and get yours" when you have a limited education and no job skills, in the past employers hired apprentices, now they want taxpayers to train their workers for them in community colleges, and even when they are hired, wages are usually low and there's no real career path as there was in the past. Workers are expendable, jobs are temporary. The right did a fine job of killing unions so now workers are left to negotiate pay raises with a CEO who they will never meet in person or be able to talk to. It's just a super environment for getting out and getting yours
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Old 02-22-2019, 08:39 PM
 
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No, you are misapprehending success. A person is a success if they maximize their personal potential and live honorably and independently without vampiring and thieving off their fellow citizens. So, a person of low ability and talent who works hard at Walmart and shows up every day and does a good job but has to live in a share situation and walk to work, is a success. It's a matter of living with honor and autonomy. It is true that not everyone has a lot of talent and some people will always be ordinary and will never be wealthy or an influencer of others. But they can still be a success if they make the most of what they have. Instead of dredging up their worst sewer selves and becoming a leftist.
Why not get out and talk to some of those Walmart workers and ask them how it feels to be so successful?
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