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Old 02-21-2019, 10:25 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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ABS is for safety reasons. A silencer is to conceal murder and nothing else. If there were any safety aspects to it, police would be using it.

Think of it. If a shooter in a classroom is not heard in the next classroom over, more unsuspecting victims await him.
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Old 02-21-2019, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Suppressors are legal to purchase in Europe without any kind of extra licensing or fees because they are safety devices and are encouraged to be used. They don't make guns silent, nor can you secretly assassinate someone without them knowing. The "poot poot" sound you hear in movies is a total Hollywood fabrication.

It's like a muffler for a car. You can still hear the car, it just lowers the sound to safer levels.

The $200 tax stamp requirement was designed to prevent anyone except for rich people from buying them. When the law was enacted in 1934 (because of gangsters who don't follow laws anyways), $200 in 2019 was equivalent to about $3500.
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Old 02-21-2019, 10:39 AM
 
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ABS is for safety reasons. A silencer is to conceal murder and nothing else. If there were any safety aspects to it, police would be using it.

Think of it. If a shooter in a classroom is not heard in the next classroom over, more unsuspecting victims await him.
This is what happens when you get all of your gun “knowledge” from movies. Dear god, this is just embarrassing.
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Old 02-21-2019, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Suppressors are legal to purchase in Europe without any kind of extra licensing or fees because they are safety devices and are encouraged to be used.
It depends on the country, but it is true in some European countries.
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Old 02-21-2019, 11:08 AM
 
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Says the man who thinks hearing protectors are called "head phones". And range officers yelling commands to shooters is the default norm without any other alert system at all.
You have obviously not used an outdoor range in a rural area. There are ONLY voice commands. And they call them head phones to differentiate from ear plugs which are not allowed as the only thing for ear protection.
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Old 02-21-2019, 11:09 AM
 
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Originally Posted by AlongTheI-5 View Post
ABS is for safety reasons. A silencer is to conceal murder and nothing else. If there were any safety aspects to it, police would be using it.

Think of it. If a shooter in a classroom is not heard in the next classroom over, more unsuspecting victims await him.
They don't silence a gun, read and learn something.
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Old 02-22-2019, 01:49 PM
 
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You have obviously not used an outdoor range in a rural area. There are ONLY voice commands. And they call them head phones to differentiate from ear plugs which are not allowed as the only thing for ear protection.
And you have obviously missed my point entirely. I've shot at ranges all over North America from private property "farm" ranges through military and club ranges to your garden variety range you're now speaking of and the point I was making was that no range with multiple shooters all firing at same time should be reliant upon voice commands only. Just because the U.S. has routinely allowed such stuff to go on does not equate to common sense.

Nowhere I've shot were they ever referred to by the locals as headphones to differentiate them from insertable ear plugs. I've heard them called "muffs" but never headphones as headphones implies sound "transmission", NOT cancelling.

Oh, and as to suppressor effectiveness I knew there had to be some info out there to counter the silliness that suppressors do not "significantly" cancel noise:

A Glock 17


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBofwiYwGho

Note he removes his hearing protectors? Note also his target hits are louder than his firearm's reports.

Note also in the comments section; "Scary how silent that thing is".

Another method also proven effective for the 'snappy' little .22


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t_pcWPdSDs
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Old 02-23-2019, 04:00 AM
 
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Suppressors are simply mufflers for a rifle/pistol. I think in Europe, some country's requires them for hunting, for safety etc.
The government has used the ATF to extract more money from the US Citizen for almost 80 years. Think what 200 dollars was in 1950. It was a lot of money then.
It does suppress the noise, thats all.
Politicians really need to step back and stop regulating/controlling people. Its getting old.
Going to buy another damn suppressor I guess......
Always good having extra fingerprint cards and pics laying around in safe...
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Old 02-23-2019, 04:55 AM
 
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I don't see that addressing silencers is wide sweeping and claims that ammunition are just an accessory are absurd. They can live without silencers, this is an argument about minutia. Go make your case that silencers are critical to the second amendment, this is where gun rights advocates look foolish and petty.
Kind of like the “oh my god, it has a pistol grip” or “oh my god, it has a flash suppressor” or “oh my god, it has a bayonet lug” or my favourite “oh my god, it can shoot more than ten bullets”.

You mean that kind of foolish and petty?
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Old 02-23-2019, 06:03 AM
 
Location: NJ
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I don't see that addressing silencers is wide sweeping and claims that ammunition are just an accessory are absurd. They can live without silencers, this is an argument about minutia. Go make your case that silencers are critical to the second amendment, this is where gun rights advocates look foolish and petty.
We can all live with silencers/supressors as well.


Not wide sweeping????


Liberal great slippery slope begins with statements like, 'not wide sweeping'.


If a 15 round mag is 'safer' than a 10 round mag, then a 5 round mag is safer than a 10 round mag. A three round mag stands to reason to be safer than a 5 round mag..... any firearm that has a detachable magazine is an 'assault weapon'... so goes the liberal slippery slope argument that starts with the statement, 'not wide sweeping..'
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