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Old 04-09-2008, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Thumb of Michigan
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Here is the link - The New York Times > Log In

Another link from the DOJ - #08-275: 04-08-08 Nathan J. Hochman, Tax Division’s Assistant Attorney General, Announces the Creation of the National Tax Defier Initiative

Shocking!

Such people were once more commonly known as tax protesters. A spokesman for Justice said Tuesday that the department official who announced the new program, Nathan J. Hochman, the assistant attorney general for the tax division, “is calling them defiers because he feels ‘protesters’ implies constitutionally protected rights.” (NY TIMES)
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"This initiative is aimed at stopping those tax defiers who do not meet their federal tax obligations and seek to transfer those obligations to their neighbor’s back. The tax defier is not someone who has a legitimate or factual dispute about the amount of tax due. The tax defier is not someone who is merely exercising his or her First Amendment rights to challenge the tax policy choices that Congress has made. Instead, the tax defier is someone who rejects the legal foundation of the tax system, despite decades of legal precedent upholding the system’s constitutional and statutory validity, and who takes specific and concrete action to violate the law. It is this tax defier conduct, which results in fraudulent claims, frivolous returns and bogus schemes, that threatens the foundation of our tax system and must be vigorously countered. This activity not only wastes limited governmental investigative, administrative and judicial resources, but it also fundamentally undermines the public’s confidence in the fairness of the tax system."
(DOJ memo)

I guess the old adage of "he who sets the terms wins the debate" is in play here.


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Old 04-09-2008, 04:53 PM
 
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The only thought I could think of is... The Boston Tea Party...
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Old 04-09-2008, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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Tax defier may be a term to clarify those who object but still pay vs those who choose to withhold from their obligations. Seems to be setting up a clarified basis for serving court papers.
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Old 12-06-2012, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Log "cabin" west of Bangor
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"...it...fundamentally undermines the public’s confidence in the fairness of the tax system."


The tax system *isn't* fair, so there is nothing to undermine.
Via 'refundable credits' and other wealth redistribution schemes, some people 'get back' far more than they pay into the system while other people have to bust their butts and barely get by because they can't keep enough of what they earn for themselves.
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