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View Poll Results: Should unions be illegal?
Yes 16 12.21%
No 115 87.79%
Voters: 131. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-24-2019, 07:00 PM
 
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Originally Posted by tickyul View Post
It should be ILLEGAL for a business to require anyone to join a union as a condition
of employment/continued-employment.
It is - but they must pay an agency shop fee out of their dues. At my place the regular dues are 1% and if you decline to join you pay 0.87%.
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Old 02-24-2019, 07:01 PM
 
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As far as public sector unions, the opponents didn't really articulate a reason why they think they should be illegal, but there is a downside to doing this.

Having advocacy on the side of workers helps discourage politicians prone to corruption from firing good employees for being whistleblowers when something corrupt or malfeasant happens and gives good employees more protection for doing the right thing. If a politician thinks they can just fire someone for doing the right thing without having a legitimate reason for doing so, corruption is more likely to be swept under the rug because good people are afraid to speak up because of losing their job with no one having their back.

Also, if private sector workers have a benefit that public sector workers can't have, this is one more way to make it harder to attract quality employees who may look elsewhere.
Because the public has no choice. Police, school teachers, firefighters, all are a monopoly. There is no market force keeping their wages and benefits in check like private industry which gives its customers a choice.
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Old 02-24-2019, 07:10 PM
 
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So they should just have picnics once a year?
You gotta problem with picnics?

Last edited by Frank DeForrest; 02-24-2019 at 07:18 PM..
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Old 02-24-2019, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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right to work is the way to go.
Right to work=Right to starve

Right to work=Right to work for less
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Old 02-24-2019, 07:43 PM
 
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Right to work=Right to starve

Right to work=Right to work for less
Exactly
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Old 02-24-2019, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Public yes, private no.
Agreed. Any discussion of unions needs to distinguish between the two. They are entirely different animals.

Democrats completely missed a chance in 2008-2010 to reform federal labor law. Private sector unionization is now down to 6%. That was one message I liked from Bernie in 2016--he wanted to bring back more private sector unionization. In the 50s, unionization was well over 50%.

Instead we get phony proposals from Dems such as raising the minimum wage. Sweden has no minimum wage, but the private sector is heavily unionized (60%, IIRC).
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Old 02-24-2019, 07:46 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Right to work=Right to starve

Right to work=Right to work for less
Agreed, 'right to work' is one of those politically-concocted terms intended to skew the debate. BTW, there is no such 'right' in the Constitution. Nor do 'right to work' laws actually confer a right to work.
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Old 02-24-2019, 07:57 PM
 
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Right to work=Right to starve

Right to work=Right to work for less

Unions = no industry.


Look at the Steel Workers Union in Pittsburg.
Look at the Auto Workers Union in Detroit.


Union membership continues to decline across the US (https://www.dailysignal.com/2013/01/...es-to-decline/)


Closed shops = shops with a "For Sale" sign out front.
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Old 02-24-2019, 08:02 PM
 
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Agreed, 'right to work' is one of those politically-concocted terms intended to skew the debate. BTW, there is no such 'right' in the Constitution. Nor do 'right to work' laws actually confer a right to work.

You are correct - there is no "right to work" in the Constitution.


The Constitution also does not include:

Right to abort
Right to free medical care
Right to eat
Right to housing
Right to ...


The Constitution was intended to protect a free and sovereign populace from government by defining the limits on that government.
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Old 02-24-2019, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Unions = no industry.


Look at the Steel Workers Union in Pittsburg.
Look at the Auto Workers Union in Detroit.


Union membership continues to decline across the US (https://www.dailysignal.com/2013/01/...es-to-decline/)


Closed shops = shops with a "For Sale" sign out front.
Funny, because I'm about to join the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, and the employer I'm working for has plenty of work (driving for a grocery chain, people gotta eat)....
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