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View Poll Results: Should unions be illegal?
Yes 16 12.21%
No 115 87.79%
Voters: 131. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-25-2019, 08:05 AM
 
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This is a slippery slope for me. Forty years ago the things that made the union great were the training and benefits. The quality of the work was second to none. The benefits of a pension and health insurance were just icing on the cake. And yes, the pay was better but once again it was about the safety and quality that the union workers once again were responsible for. Fast forward to today. In our industry anyway, the non union labor is relatively similar. The non-union contractors seem to be offering the same benefits. And the truly bad fact is that while we still support the union (hubby was offered a position by a non-union contractor, not even doing the same function as his union, he turned it down) the administration of the union seems to be more concerned with their PAC funds and fighting to keep the union itself more than fighting to help keep the union workers working. It's a double edged sword. What good is being in the union and doing a union job if you don't have a job to do? Maybe instead of fighting so hard to keep the union's by voting left...perhaps the union administrator's should start selling to the right the GOOD and proving that unions still do need to exist, the reasons why, and proving it by actions. And that doesn't mean doing nothing but giving $$'s to one political party.
Of course unions support democratic candidates, when is the last time a republican supported unions? There's no way that a union can compete with the likes of the Koch's in trying to convince a republican legislator that they should support unions, it's all about lobbying money and big business has far more to throw at legislators than unions do. If the right had supported unions, that's who unions would support...but for 30 or 40 years republicans have used every weapon they have to weaken and destroy unions.
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Old 02-25-2019, 08:08 AM
 
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Public yes, private no.
This.
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Old 02-25-2019, 09:04 AM
 
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Unions = no industry.


Look at the Steel Workers Union in Pittsburg.
Look at the Auto Workers Union in Detroit.


Union membership continues to decline across the US (https://www.dailysignal.com/2013/01/...es-to-decline/)


Closed shops = shops with a "For Sale" sign out front.
BNSF railway company is a closed shop union employer. Warren Buffett seems to have thought they were a good investment...…………

The steel and auto industry were not "ruined" because of unions...……..
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Old 02-25-2019, 09:06 AM
 
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You are correct - there is no "right to work" in the Constitution.


The Constitution also does not include:

Right to abort
Right to free medical care
Right to eat
Right to housing
Right to ...


The Constitution was intended to protect a free and sovereign populace from government by defining the limits on that government.
That is why unions are the only freedom that the average worker has to have any chance of negotiating with an employer...……….
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Old 02-25-2019, 09:10 AM
 
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Under federal law nobody can be required to join a labor union first before being hired for a job. But in a unionized work place, once hired you are expected to pay union dues whether you're a union member or not, unless you're in a Right to Work state. Then you have the right to sponge off the union by having the right to decline to pay union dues. Your employer hopes you do.
This is what "right to work" does, it divides the non-union people against the union people...…..there fore the company can pit them against each other...…….
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Old 02-25-2019, 09:15 AM
 
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This is what "right to work" does, it divides the non-union people against the union people...…..there fore the company can pit them against each other...…….
Well so long as two parties agree voluntarily to terms, I dont see where it is any of your business. Next you'll be dictating who can or cant get married.
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Old 02-25-2019, 09:16 AM
 
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Who didn't found the business and aren't risking their own capital to keep the business running.
Most large companies today are not run by the people who "founded" them either. They also are not risking any "capital" unless the people running it are too incompetent to invest properly......which is their job.
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Old 02-25-2019, 09:19 AM
 
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I think so..

Especially true if you dislike having insurance provided by your employer, vacation time, sick time and so on. All those benefits came about because of labor unions. Now that unions have lost their clout you may have noticed that employers are whittling away at those benefits every chance they get. So if that's your end goal - to lose those benefits -then making unions illegal should work well for you.
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Old 02-25-2019, 09:20 AM
 
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Well so long as two parties agree voluntarily to terms, I dont see where it is any of your business. Next you'll be dictating who can or cant get married.
Exactly. one union. one company. only in some fantasy world can you make the stretch that comparing unions to a civil marriage is a comparison...…...
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Old 02-25-2019, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Proxima Centauri
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For the ten of you who said yes, I would remind you that Mussolini outlawed trade unions. It didn't turn out too well for him. He did have the pleasure of seeing Lake Como before he was shot.
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