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Old 02-25-2019, 06:55 AM
 
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Sounds like the state need to do something to alleviate the burden on people, now that the Fed isn't subsidizing state taxes.

 
Old 02-25-2019, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Salisbury,NC
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Seemed to me voters favor small and the perception of control, regardless of the cost of redundancies. Does not seem to matter if the town leans left, right out Independent.

( lived in NJ twice)
Yes that is correct. Try to consolidate a school system or road department.
 
Old 02-25-2019, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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It's all fun and games until somebody has to pay for liberal government. Then it isn't funny any longer. You middle class people in NJ have my sympathy on this one. Rich people living in the elite areas - Summit, Millburn, Westfield etc - suck it up.
 
Old 02-25-2019, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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The problem in NJ is the State is riddled with geographically tiny towns, each with their own school system, town hall staffing, highway depts etc. Throw in geographically small counties that carry their own full governance bureaucracies, and a bloated State govt. and the result is waste and duplication almost beyond comprehension. The unions and vested interests in maintaining this status quo have an ironclad lock on the situation.
This.

And they will do nothing to change it because they like it that way.

The end.
 
Old 02-25-2019, 08:00 AM
 
Location: NC
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its NJ, they are used to stupidly high property taxes.
 
Old 02-25-2019, 08:08 AM
 
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Just talked to someone recently that moved from New Jersey to the deep south. Said they couldn't be happier. Lower cost of living, better weather, friendlier people overall, a lot less traffic, LESS TAXES, and bought a nicer house and a bigger piece of land. And to think the "answer" these places will have is to tax people even more, thus more people will continue to leave lol......
 
Old 02-25-2019, 08:08 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Pensions?


Taxes raised to defend illegal aliens and send them to school and all the free stuff guvmurph is giving away from the goodness of his left fringe socialist heart.


Running out of taxpayer cash. NJ voter lover it! That's why about 18% of registered voters were enough to elect guvmurph, who is not responsible for the pension mess, but compounds it galactically.


Add to that the illegal and legal waste, inefficiency and fraud and you have NJ.


NJ is a lost cause.


Financial guru's, goldman sachs alum and NJ govs, JC and guvmurph have done nothing to solve NJ's financial disaster. they made is worse to ensure Nj is last on lists of best places and first on lists of worst places.


The problem is Nj voters and now the move to suppress conservative vote by keeping Trump off the ballot in 2020. CA east!
 
Old 02-25-2019, 10:19 AM
 
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Seemed to me voters favor small and the perception of control, regardless of the cost of redundancies. Does not seem to matter if the town leans left, right out Independent.

( lived in NJ twice)
There are towns in NJ that might be a square mile or half a square mile, or even smaller than that, and they've got their own school system, police depts, road crews etc. I have a brother down there who worked for the county and was eligible to retire at age 39 with family health care for life and a pension, though the pension would have been reduced for retiring that young. He waited until he was 45 to retire so that he wouldn't have to get another job. While working he was paying $25 per month for family health coverage and his wife, a school teacher, was being paid an extra $4,000 to be on his insurance instead of her's.

NJ is out of control. At a national level, the public should be wary of any politician of either party coming out of that State.
 
Old 02-25-2019, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Boston
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The problem in NJ is the State is riddled with geographically tiny towns, each with their own school system, town hall staffing, highway depts etc. Throw in geographically small counties that carry their own full governance bureaucracies, and a bloated State govt. and the result is waste and duplication almost beyond comprehension. The unions and vested interests in maintaining this status quo have an ironclad lock on the situation.
it's the old colonial style government from back in the 1700's. Costs a lot to create all those little fifedoms. People are willing to pay for it even if its not efficient. Many people rethink that when they reach retirement age.
 
Old 02-25-2019, 10:25 AM
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Are pensions the issue? I keep hearing people talk about it for years now and nothing gets done. This seems the be the problem in NYC as well.

How does this get fixed as to not burden tax payers any further?
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