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...and your party wants to be able to "abort" babies during birth, and even after birth. Democrats are actually proposing legislation to deny human Rights to a baby, even during it's birth.
At some point a human baby is actually a living person, and deserving of our protection. At some point, the baby is a human being, and no one has the Right to kill it for the sake of convenience.
Ask one hundred people when a baby is a human with Rights, and deserves our protection, and you will probably get almost one hundred different opinions concerning "laws legislating a woman's uterus." Why, because the baby does have human Rights, at some point.
This is not an abortion thread. There is no 'aborting' a baby during birth or after birth.
Are you really this ignorant?
You probably think it's a great idea to let a baby born without a brain stem live for a few painful months and then seize itself to death.
Invariably these discussions overlook an important point. They're about the federal government... big government, small government. But in American we have multiple and overlapping layers of government: township/city, county, state, and finally federal.
My own preference is to circumscribe and limit the overall amount of government. But "conservatives" who decry the federal government as being rapacious, bloated, evil and tyrannical rarely have as much vitriol for their state government, and even less for their local one. Why is that? When I worry about corruption, mismanagement, waste, intransigence and incompetence of various kinds, I worry about our county commissioners, no less than I worry about Congress.
By my reckoning, yes, we should think very carefully about limiting government overall, but within that limit, it would be reasonable transfer authority out of state and local hands, into federal hands. It would be even better to abolish the various States outright, and to become a Unitary republic, instead of a Federal one.
themselves enough so they can choose the best products. They will buy the cleaner, more environmentally friendly car, as long as it is in a price range that is economical, and the vehicle meets their needs. But if you have five kids, or you live in rural America with gravel roads, long commutes to work and shopping, that wonder car of yours may not meet their needs.
In discussions like this where people want to place government in control of our choices, I always cite MTBE. It was the educated bureaucrats and politicians who rushed this additive into our gas tanks, to save the environment from air pollution. They did not wait for proper testing, they campaigned on it, and forced it on the people.
As you may already know, MTBE turned out to be a poison that seeped into our ground water and poisoned it. So no, government being granted power to rule over the people is not a good way to go. There is too much politics, they have personal and political agendas, they pander to lobbyists and corporations and special interest groups, and we they people are always a distant afterthought when it comes to politicians and their greed for power and control.
We could write books about this stuff, but it comes down to a few things......
Consumer Protection - or "the meek shall inherit the earth".
It is VERY clear that the Right and Conservatives believe in fewer constraints on fraud....fraud, of course, goes by many names. But the Right has fought, at every turn, any regulations or laws or even agencies which protect the consumer.
Your Choice - Freedom given by Corporations or Freedoms protected by The People.
This really covers a lot of it in a nutshell. Corporations exist for one reason - to make a profit. If they can make a bigger profit by ripping you off, dumping chemicals in the woods or making employees work 60 hours a week for no overtime - they WILL.
Being as we do live in this corporate and industrialized society, liberals tend to believe that ONE function of government is to make sure they play fair and that they don't destroy our commons (air, water, land, health, etc.).
You can always find plenty of things wrong with government. However, I'd bet dollar to donuts when you look deeper into these things (MTBE, etc.), you will find corporate profiteers doing the science and telling the government that the products are safe.
This is something I think many don't understand. I work in highly regulated industries. The government does not come and tell us what to do. Rather, though science and engineering, they find out what can be done to make stuff as clean or efficient as possible and work WITH us to determine what the standards should be. As an example, a 10 person team that takes 4 years to come up with new (cleaner) standards for air pollution on particular appliances might contain 8 people FROM THE INDUSTRY and 2 from the government.
Rather than understand these things, it appears many conservatives just want to dismiss them all and say "bad bad bad" government.
So your solution to "too many lobbyists and corporate influence" seems to be GIVE MORE CORPORATE INFLUENCE AND THINGS WILL BE FINE....
That's backwards world.
The conservative world view is built on the shakiest foundation imaginable. It assumes that 100% of us are male, healthy, wise (we are ALL on the top of the bell curve, right?), middle ages or younger and have plenty of time, energy and sense to sort out 10's of thousands of "choices". The reality is MUCH different
Do you really think an 80 year old couple knows best which Medicare Supplement Plans to buy? Does a 90 year old senior in Florida really know that the "service policy" is NOT insurance, but is rather 4 people in an office with nothing behind them??
Of course not. I see the world as it is. It appears some conservatives - especially their leaders and talking heads - think everyone has or makes millions and also has an IQ over 120 plus large doses of experience and common sense.
I say those are the exception - you say they are the rule. The two shall never meet.
USA style capitalism is predatory. Government has a function in protecting ALL of us, but most importantly the weakest among us, from this nightmare.
It's ironic that the conservative "solution", in the form of Don the Con, not only dumps vastly more on the weak and infirm, but borrows vast sums of money to outright GIVE to the upper class. His admin, by any measure, is a total swamp...probably the worst in history. But this is what they believe in. It just doesn't make sense.
A liberal point of view takes into account we are ALL infants, children, teens, young adult, adults and then seniors.....and that we are not each an island. The conservative mindset often seems to be "well, I have money in the bank and that's that" without considering the entire society.
Ever hear of these people? No, not a tiny minority - in fact, the people in real power.
"Senator Sam Brownback (R., Kansas) is an active member, as is Representative Joe Pitts (R., Pennsylvania), an avuncular would-be theocrat who chairs the House version of the VAT. Others referred to as members include senators Jim DeMint of South Carolina, chairman of the Senate Steering Committee (the powerful conservative caucus co-founded back in 1974 by another Family associate, the late senator Carl Curtis of Nebraska); Chuck Grassley (R., Iowa); James Inhofe (R., Oklahoma); Tom Coburn (R., Oklahoma); John Thune (R., South Dakota); Mike Enzi (R., Wyoming); and John Ensign, the conservative casino heir elected to the Senate from Nevada."
Sorry, these people are very real and the Dump administration follows their every wish.
"I wish I could say more about it," Ronald Reagan publicly demurred back in 1985, "but it's working precisely because it is private."
""cells" as they're often called, have met in the Pentagon and at the Department of Defense, and the Family has traditionally fostered strong ties with businessmen in the oil and aerospace industries."
Nope, not a tiny minority. These are "conservatives" and steer that particular ship.
I'm not going to read thru that long and rambling article. So make you point, where does it say these "Right Wing Authoritarians" "want to install Jesus as the head of our Federal Government?" And what the hell does that mean?
Not true. I know I, along with several others, definitely want no central government. When I post my anarchist thinking, it isn't for the lulz or to troll, I mean every last word I type.
The stateless world would be a better world. Clinging to government as some singular power that alone can accomplish certain things is as antiquated as treating mental illness with exorcism.
So be careful with that claim...because plenty of people want exactly what you say none of them do. I know because I am one of them.
Again, would you appoint nameless, faceless bureaucrats to choose which technologies should be sold, and which should not? I see a trend, where you think the people are too stupid, not to be entrusted with making their own decisions, and government should step in and take control.
People will always inform themselves enough so they can choose the best products. They will buy the cleaner, more environmentally friendly car, as long as it is in a price range that is economical, and the vehicle meets their needs. But if you have five kids, or you live in rural America with gravel roads, long commutes to work and shopping, that wonder car of yours may not meet their needs.
In discussions like this where people want to place government in control of our choices, I always cite MTBE. It was the educated bureaucrats and politicians who rushed this additive into our gas tanks, to save the environment from air pollution. They did not wait for proper testing, they campaigned on it, and forced it on the people.
As you may already know, MTBE turned out to be a poison that seeped into our ground water and poisoned it. So no, government being granted power to rule over the people is not a good way to go. There is too much politics, they have personal and political agendas, they pander to lobbyists and corporations and special interest groups, and we they people are always a distant afterthought when it comes to politicians and their greed for power and control.
Well those same faceless bureaucrats pushed us into the future with clean air and water and most people are willing to have better environmental standards at reasonable costs. The increased standards for auto mileage and the installation of catalytic converters to remove lead emissions are perfect examples. We heard the same complaints that it was too costly and it would fail, meanwhile Europe was light years ahead of us. Pointing out anecdotes of a failed policy like MTBE doesn't make a case for the overwhelming evidence that we are better off than decades ago because of our regulations.
This administration is trying to roll back the clock in just about every environmental area be it coal or environmental hazards or emissions and burying its head as far as the impact of greenhouse gases.
Not true. I know I, along with several others, definitely want no central government. When I post my anarchist thinking, it isn't for the lulz or to troll, I mean every last word I type.
The stateless world would be a better world. Clinging to government as some singular power that alone can accomplish certain things is as antiquated as treating mental illness with exorcism.
So be careful with that claim...because plenty of people want exactly what you say none of them do. I know because I am one of them.
In a power vacuum, tyrants exercise their will over the weak. A system of anarchy is a lawless, violent existence.
I really don't understand how anyone could pine for such an existence, as it would be miserable.
I'm not going to read thru that long and rambling article. So make you point, where does it say these "Right Wing Authoritarians" "want to install Jesus as the head of our Federal Government?" And what the hell does that mean?
The short and sweet is that they fancy Jesus as a free market oil baron and EVERY single question of government...here or elsewhere in the world...is about whether or not things align with this "Oil Capitalist Jesus" view. Even the murder of vast populations....Oil Jesus works in mysterious ways, they say. Biblical.
"So the Jews are no longer the chosen people. The Family are the new chosen, and they don't operate through churches."
"e says the real work of the kind of governance that we're after is what he calls Jesus plus nothing, and Jesus plus nothing means actually Jesus plus everything. It means everything gets filtered through Jesus, and the examples he gave, he says what does Jesus have to say about Social Security? In the Family's case, it's privatize, which is almost always their answer, is to privatize."
"Suharto's forces would wipe out entire villages on the premise that everybody in them was a communist and had to die. I mean he's one of the really great killers of the 20th century, and Doug Coe and Abraham Vereide took a look at him and said that's a man of God."
" They're bringing delegations of the oil executives who are financing their work over there. One oilman named Harold McClure wrote in a memo that was then circulated among core congressional members that he'd had an hour-long meeting with Suharto and some of the oil people around Suharto. Suharto, of course, controlled the eighth-largest oil company in the world at that time. And they had an hour of prayer, after which they'd moved on to business"
Oil, DC, Jesus, privatizing, murdering...all part of The Family who "owns" 100's in our government. As I stated before, the "National Prayer Breakfast" is their work. So is Sanford and Ensign and other adulterers who, because they "believe" are forgiven for anything and everything.
How is giving the federal government more power increase liberty? .
Thats really funny!!!
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