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Old 02-25-2019, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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NO GOP Senators voted against it and that 3 Dem senators(Casey, Jones, and Manchin) crossed the aisle and voted with Republicans


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Today, the United States Senate voted on an anti-infanticide bill introduced by Senator Ben Sasse (R-Neb.), the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act.

The legislation needed 60 votes to pass, and it failed by a vote of 53 in favor and 44 against. The bill stated that “if an abortion results in the live birth of an infant, the infant is a legal person for all purposes under the laws of the United States, and entitled to all the protections of such laws.”

Every Democratic Senator, including Democratic presidential hopefuls Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand, Sherrod Brown, Kirsten Gillibrand, Amy Klobuchar, and Elizabeth Warren, along with Independent Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, voted against this common-sense bill.

Democrats Doug Jones, Joe Manchin, and Bob Casey Jr. voted in favor of the bill. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) did not vote on the bill.
https://www.liveaction.org/news/sena...qODTD8ahNgQvTs

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Old 02-25-2019, 09:17 PM
 
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The idea that abortion providers routinely deliver live infants and then kill them is a completely bogus right-wing myth that has found its way into the halls of Congress. If such a thing ever did happen, it wouldn’t be necessary to pass a new law about it because infanticide is already illegal.

But none of that is stopping the GOP, which is once again turning to fearmongering and lies about abortion to rile up the right-wing base because Republicans have no other real ideas for governing.

https://shareblue.com/gop-vows-to-pu...ain-and-again/
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Old 02-26-2019, 01:49 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Default Dems Vote Against Providing Medical Care for Children Born Alive After Botched Abortions

https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...s-senate-vote/

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By a vote of 53-44, the Senate has failed to pass the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act, which would have required doctors to provide medical care to infants born alive after an attempted abortion procedure. The bill — sponsored by Senator Ben Sasse (R., Neb.) and cosponsored by 49 of his fellow Republican senators — needed 60 votes to overcome the legislative filibuster.

. . .

During the floor debate over the bill this afternoon, several Democratic senators said they planned to oppose the legislation because they believe it limits women’s health-care options. “That is the actual intent of this bill, reducing access to safe abortion care would threaten the health of women in Hawaii,” said Mazie Hirono (D., Hawaii).

. . . But nothing in the legislation forces doctors to provide any particular treatment to infants; it merely requires that they provide medical treatment. It mandates that doctors “exercise the same degree of professional skill, care, and diligence to preserve the life and health of the child as a reasonably diligent and conscientious health care practitioner would render to any other child born alive at the same gestational age.”

In other words, the born-alive bill would’ve done nothing more than insist that health-care providers treat children born alive after attempted abortions the same way that they’d treat any other infant.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: there is only one party that is extreme on the issue of abortion, and its not the GOP; hell, this bill doesn't even restrict abortions, but only deals with a level of care to children who are not snuffed out as intended during an abortion . . . yet they still can't get behind this??? Voting against this act is a complete disgrace and shows you how vile these Dem senators are. Rarely have I been more disgusted. WTF?
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Old 02-26-2019, 03:40 AM
 
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The idea that abortion providers routinely deliver live infants and then kill them
You can quibble about frequency, but it happens for a fact. Why shouldn't the babies be given rights?

Since Democrats love identity politics - they are mostly minorities and poor. Why are you fine with the covering up of killing poor minority babies?

https://aclj.org/planned-parenthood/...ns-died-decade

I hope you feel comforted with the state sanctioned murders being so infrequent.
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Old 02-26-2019, 04:10 AM
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Location: Pine Grove,AL
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https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...s-senate-vote/



I've said it before and I'll say it again: there is only one party that is extreme on the issue of abortion, and its not the GOP; hell, this bill doesn't even restrict abortions, but only deals with a level of care to children who are not snuffed out as intended during an abortion . . . yet they still can't get behind this??? Voting against this act is a complete disgrace and shows you how vile these Dem senators are. Rarely have I been more disgusted. WTF?
1. Its already illegal.

2. Naming a bill this is just done to rile up the base and people like you who arent willing to do research.

3. What this bill does is basically make it illegal to DNI a newborn at any point, so there are going to be cases where you are arguing for a family to be forced to deliver a child that has no QOL and pay millions of dollars in medical bills to simply wait for them to die. That family could have really wanted a child, but medical reasons caused problems in the womb, that meant there was a small chance of survival( things like the brain being outside the body and so on)

Are you proposing the Government pay for this, or force the family to ?
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Old 02-26-2019, 04:14 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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You can quibble about frequency, but it happens for a fact. Why shouldn't the babies be given rights?

Since Democrats love identity politics - they are mostly minorities and poor. Why are you fine with the covering up of killing poor minority babies?

https://aclj.org/planned-parenthood/...ns-died-decade

I hope you feel comforted with the state sanctioned murders being so infrequent.



Another fact you're apparently willing to overlook is the article you cite clearly states "While the circumstances surrounding their deaths and whether their lives could have been spared with proper medical attention are mostly unknown"


Not much to base an argument on. And I'd like to know what else is in the bill that didn't pass?
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Old 02-26-2019, 06:33 AM
 
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You can quibble about frequency, but it happens for a fact. Why shouldn't the babies be given rights?

Since Democrats love identity politics - they are mostly minorities and poor. Why are you fine with the covering up of killing poor minority babies?

https://aclj.org/planned-parenthood/...ns-died-decade

I hope you feel comforted with the state sanctioned murders being so infrequent.

Even by the customarily disingenuous terms of anti-abortion rhetoric, the current arguments and uproar reek of false outrage and fear mongering.

According to conservatives, as illustrated in numerous threads on this forum alone, this is a strategy to re-elect Trump. The most recent bogus hypothetical of a woman requesting an abortion during labor is an example of false moral outrage in the era of Trump.

To hear Republicans talk about it, you’d think women drag out their pregnancies, wantonly waiting to abort until the contractions set in merely for the fun of it. This is nonsensical and the myth bears little resemblance to reality.

Here’s what’s real: The same people who are hand-wringing over imaginary infanticide are right now, in a very real way, fighting for policies that increase the number of later abortions, and that for some women, amount to a ban on abortion at all stages of pregnancy. Then fill in the blanks for all the cruel disregard Republicans have for actual life and real babies with no access to health care, proper nutrition and shelter etc.

I wish these underhanded arguments and duplicitous tactics could be converted to care and concern and activism toward compassionate legislation for real infants and children as opposed to the unconcealed desire to control women.

The ability of a woman to have control of her body is critical to civil rights.Take away her reproductive choice and you step onto a slippery slope. If the government can force a woman to continue a pregnancy, what about forcing a woman to use contraception or undergo sterilization?

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Old 02-26-2019, 06:41 AM
 
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The idea that abortion providers routinely deliver live infants and then kill them is a completely bogus right-wing myth that has found its way into the halls of Congress. If such a thing ever did happen, it wouldn’t be necessary to pass a new law about it because infanticide is already illegal.

But none of that is stopping the GOP, which is once again turning to fearmongering and lies about abortion to rile up the right-wing base because Republicans have no other real ideas for governing.

https://shareblue.com/gop-vows-to-pu...ain-and-again/
Then tell us how many is okay with you?

Remember these names at the polls folks.
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Old 02-26-2019, 06:48 AM
 
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It happens. Pull your head out of the sand.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RfKoex_4vI




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fhyJItGPko
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Old 02-26-2019, 06:53 AM
 
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If we believe that women deserve CHOICE then she needs to know the facts so that she can choose.

And yes, parents should not make their children feel that abortion is better than telling them that she is pregnant.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwyau49NVjI
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