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Old 03-01-2019, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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If Alabama actually wanted E-Verify to be an effective tool for employers it would need to join the RIDE program which means that state issued IDs including drivers licenses would be included in the E-Verify database. Without this enhancement any illegal alien can get hired by presenting a stolen drivers license along with a matching social security card. Since the photo matching tool can’t be used, the applicant could simply transpose their own photo on the document and the poor sucker employer has no way of flagging it.

The states currently enrolled in the RIDE program are Arizona, Maryland, Wyoming, Florida, Idaho, Iowa, Mississippi, Nebraska, North Dakota and Wisconsin.

Because of the loophole I explained above E-Verify is essentially useless in every other state.
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Old 03-01-2019, 10:11 PM
 
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If Alabama actually wanted E-Verify to be an effective tool for employers it would need to join the RIDE program which means that state issued IDs including drivers licenses would be included in the E-Verify database. Without this enhancement any illegal alien can get hired by presenting a stolen drivers license along with a matching social security card. Since the photo matching tool can’t be used, the applicant could simply transpose their own photo on the document and the poor sucker employer has no way of flagging it.

The states currently enrolled in the RIDE program are Arizona, Maryland, Wyoming, Florida, Idaho, Iowa, Mississippi, Nebraska, North Dakota and Wisconsin.

Because of the loophole I explained above E-Verify is essentially useless in every other state.
This idea that one can just use a stolen S.S. card is B.S.

A person can't be contributing to S.S. from Alabama and Wisconsin at the same time.

They can't be collecting S.S. in Nevada while working in New York.

They aren't 120 years old milking cows.
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Old 03-02-2019, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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This idea that one can just use a stolen S.S. card is B.S.

A person can't be contributing to S.S. from Alabama and Wisconsin at the same time.

They can't be collecting S.S. in Nevada while working in New York.

They aren't 120 years old milking cows.
Haha, wow. What planet are you on? Go to any major city and ask around. It shouldn’t take you long to find where for a few hundred bucks you can get a stolen driver’s license with your photo professionally imprinted over the original one and matching social security card. On the street these are called “micas.” The underground illegal trade of these IDs is very sophisticated and there are thousands of these businesses within the U.S. There are currently over a million people working for legitimate employers after presenting stolen and forged I-9 documents at the time of hire. It’s disgusting how easy this is.
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Old 03-02-2019, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Legal migrant workers, not illegals, make up the vast majority of "aliens" working in agriculture. You do understand the difference between legal and illegal, right?
If Agri were not substantially dependent on undocumented labor, it would not be the largest Federal and state lobby against eVerify. And it has not mattered if legislators were Democrat or Republican.

There are reasons why eVerify has not gained traction in Texas and Florida.

That only 5 states have made eVerify state law ( including intended loopholes) demonstrates the challenge to get something like this passed on a national level. Those who comply are at a free market disadvantage to those who don’t. Big grocer ( another powerful lobby) does not concern itself with who planted, tended and harvested the crop.

Like speed limits, without enforcement, it is meaningless legislation.
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Old 03-02-2019, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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If Alabama actually wanted E-Verify to be an effective tool for employers it would need to join the RIDE program which means that state issued IDs including drivers licenses would be included in the E-Verify database. Without this enhancement any illegal alien can get hired by presenting a stolen drivers license along with a matching social security card. Since the photo matching tool can’t be used, the applicant could simply transpose their own photo on the document and the poor sucker employer has no way of flagging it.

The states currently enrolled in the RIDE program are Arizona, Maryland, Wyoming, Florida, Idaho, Iowa, Mississippi, Nebraska, North Dakota and Wisconsin.

Because of the loophole I explained above E-Verify is essentially useless in every other state.
Assuming sources are up to date, only two of these states require all employers to e-Verify. While Mississippi includes those working as contractors, it exempts property owners. The handful of states that have mandated eVerify all have exclusions.

No one is required to have a Driver’s license or state ID. When this form of identification is used e- Verify will validate it in RIDE states. Undocumented immigrants who are required by their employer to show ID, tend to use fake green and SS cards, not licenses.

This was the case at Trump properties found to have been long term employers of undocumented people. None had drivers licenses. Some used other IDs, which were obviously fake by those who subsequently independently examined them. None of it mattered because eVerify is not state law and Trump Org did not voluntarily use it

Decades of not mandating verification, creating intentional exclusions, meaningless consequences for offending employers and an overall lack of enforcement has led to right now. No system is perfect. Does not mean, substantial improvements should not be made.
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Old 03-02-2019, 09:59 AM
 
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Haha, wow. What planet are you on? Go to any major city and ask around. It shouldn’t take you long to find where for a few hundred bucks you can get a stolen driver’s license with your photo professionally imprinted over the original one and matching social security card. On the street these are called “micas.” The underground illegal trade of these IDs is very sophisticated and there are thousands of these businesses within the U.S. There are currently over a million people working for legitimate employers after presenting stolen and forged I-9 documents at the time of hire. It’s disgusting how easy this is.
Of course you can. If you get pulled over they likely even work. They will not for employment for the reasons I noted if we have a strong e-verify program.
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Old 03-02-2019, 10:03 AM
 
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Maybe you're right, this just strikes me as the equivalent of saying 'Well since everyone is required to register their vehicle we'll just sit back and wait for car thieves to come in and register a stolen car because then we can just arrest them." Doesn't seem like it works that way because, of course, if the car stolen the thief isn't going to register it, just like an employer will not fill out paperwork for an illegal worker, even if it is a law. Criminals usually don't follow the law, hence the reason they're criminals
Thats exactly right, I worked for a distribution center a few years back that handled Adidas shoes and clothing, they hired large numbers of illegal immigrants from Africa, they had 'different' hiring process for them compared to regular US applicants, they didnt have to go thru all the paperwork, background checks, etc, They had ZERO taxes taken out of their pay, I saw a couple paycheck stubs of theirs and also had this confirmed by a friend that worked in HR dept, they were considered 'under the table' employees.
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Old 03-02-2019, 10:07 AM
 
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Thats exactly right, I worked for a distribution center a few years back that handled Adidas shoes and clothing, they hired large numbers of illegal immigrants from Africa, they had 'different' hiring process for them compared to regular US applicants, they didnt have to go thru all the paperwork, background checks, etc, They had ZERO taxes taken out of their pay, I saw a couple paycheck stubs of theirs and also had this confirmed by a friend that worked in HR dept, they were considered 'under the table' employees.
Pay them this way. In a proper e-verify system you won't be able to claim what you paid them on your taxes.
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Old 03-02-2019, 11:42 AM
 
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Legal migrant workers, not illegals, make up the vast majority of "aliens" working in agriculture. You do understand the difference between legal and illegal, right?
You’re purposely being misleading. Knock it off.
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Old 03-02-2019, 11:52 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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You’re purposely being misleading. Knock it off.
I realize you don't like facts, and would rather just make up unsupported opinions with nothing to support them. Some reading may be naive enough to accept them.
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