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Old 03-02-2019, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Sure. Maybe you or your sons can take their place. Hurry and sign up today!
Scotty is a Marine Corps officer if I remember this correctly.

Plus, I think all tax payers (military or not) can voice their concern.

This reminds me of something I personally experienced a long time ago. I volunteer at a VA hospital and I guess a pog said all us civilians should shut up about the military because we never had the balls or the ovaries to serve. My friend (who is a 4 times combat Marine) said to him, "Oh, shut up already. I don't see the differences between you and the civilians. Plus, civilians have the right to voice their opinions about the military. I see no problems with this."

I think everybody who joined the military (pog or infantry) have all accomplished something we didn't, but this whole "I served, how about you" or "he/she served, what about you" attitude is just tiring. lol

I have mad love for the military, especially the Marines. It doesn't mean I think tax payers should be forced to pay for retirees' Viagra or transgender's operations. sheesh Forget about that.

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Old 03-02-2019, 02:41 PM
 
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Well disabled Vets and the VA have more then enough money and no child in this country ever goes hungry so plenty of money for this type of surgery. Oh Wait i just work up from dreamland, that transgender person is so much more important then that disabled VET or hungry child. /sigh
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Old 03-02-2019, 03:34 PM
 
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What would Patton have said about all the Vets getting talk treatment, meds and others things for PTSD????

I think we KNOW what he would have thought and said...
"the general yanked the soldier to his feet, called him a coward and slapped him across the face with a leather glove. The enraged general then chased the youth from the tent with a kick to the backside."
"Within 48 hours, a memo from Seventh Army headquarters went out directing all commanders to cease and desist sending battle fatigue cases to the rear. “Such men… bring discredit on the army and disgrace to their comrades,” Patton wrote."


Time marches on, I guess.....

It's sorta crazy that the public, after all the stories about the 100's of billions wasted regularly (trillions, over a decade or two) acts as if they really care about a rounding error.

BUT, I'm not the Boss here. If trans or any other group are not compatible with...and good for....Military life, then the Military has to make those decisions.

It would be silly for me to micromanage them.
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Old 03-02-2019, 04:20 PM
 
Location: One of the 13 original colonies.
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Sure. Maybe you or your sons can take their place. Hurry and sign up today!


Too late sonny boy. I am a combat veteran. 6 years USMC. 0302 MOS.

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Old 03-02-2019, 04:37 PM
 
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well, you shouldn't be forced to pay for that either. But here is the thing, once people are in the military, the military is responsible for their medical treatment. Are we saying erectile dysfunction (in majority of the cases, it is caused by emotional dysfunction) is not a valid medical concern? I have a friend who is dealing with this issue at this moment. He's still active duty Marine in the Corps. If he is serving, then yes, he should be treated. Why shouldn't he?

Plus, younger men most likely don't need them, this is just some hard fact.(no pun intended) (my friend is young, His issue comes and go) The Viagra is mostly for Older retirees and their family members, yes, this is a total waste. You are right, you shouldn't be forced to pay for that, just like you shouldn't be paying for the transgender folks' operations.

I don't think people with preexisting medical condition should be allowed to join the military if $$$$ is a concern, but once people are in, then I believe military should be responsible for ALL their treatments.

This is exactly why I don't believe transgender folks should be allowed to join the military.
So you're okay with transgender folks who are already in the military having their treatments paid for.
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Old 03-02-2019, 04:41 PM
 
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Well disabled Vets and the VA have more then enough money and no child in this country ever goes hungry so plenty of money for this type of surgery. Oh Wait i just work up from dreamland, that transgender person is so much more important then that disabled VET or hungry child. /sigh
The military pisses away more in post-it notes than they do for transgender folks. That said, I think it's unconscionable that our government doesn't take care of vets and hungry children. The problem is waste, waste and more waste. And I'm not talking about treating the transgendered. This country has plenty of money, it's just squandered on special interests and lining peoples' pockets.
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Old 03-02-2019, 04:43 PM
 
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My thoughts?

The military should not pay for any optional surgery like this, what is next, breast implants? I served with a guy who had real crooked teeth, the military had zero care even though it was bad, he used his reenlistment bonus to get them straightened. These people can do the same thing, and i am not even getting into the deployment and job restrictions that come with the surgery.

And though it has nothing to do with those getting these surgeries, I got to roll my eyes at how the military seems on board with this and probably placing them on the first in line list, while more than a few people have to jump through hoops to get things done regarding medical issues. It took a damn call to Congress just to get an x-ray once, ridiculous.
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Old 03-02-2019, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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So you're okay with transgender folks who are already in the military having their treatments paid for.
Yes, I do. If the doctors approve their treatment, then yes, I do. (keywords: doctors approve) Meaning, if the doctors deem the operation medically necessary. Why do you doubt that?

I said this is exactly why transgender folks should not be ALLOWED to join the military because once they are in, the military is responsible for their treatment including operation. It is silly and unrealistic to believe that they (the transgender) can sign a waiver, then everything would be okay. lol Duh. Once they are in, there are always a way to have the military to pay for their operations. It is another unnecessary burden for the tax payers.
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Old 03-02-2019, 04:50 PM
 
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Yes, I do. If the doctors approve their treatment, then yes, I do. (keywords: doctors approve) Why do you doubt that?

I said this is exactly why transgender folks should not be ALLOWED to join the military because once they are in, the military is responsible for their treatment including operation. Duh. It is another unnecessary burden for the tax payers.
The flaw in that is they will just "come out" after they join.
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Old 03-02-2019, 04:54 PM
 
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I came across this article and was pretty shocked. Tax payers are being forced to pay for gender reassignment surgeries on transgender people in the military plus pay for therapy and other associated costs? Wow!




What are your thoughts?
It is absurd to let them into the military to begin with, as many in the psychiatric profession believe they have psychological problems.
But to think we'd pay for such things is just absurd.

The military is not a place for social engineering, and the last thing we need are these type of people flocking to the military in the hopes of having the taxpayers pay for their gender change desires.

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