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Old 03-02-2019, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Medicare for All Hoax
Is this related in any way to the "Trumpcare on day one!" hoax?

Enquiring minds want to know.

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Old 03-02-2019, 04:57 PM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
Medicare for all is a childish notion given the insolvency of everything the state runs.
I say those who want it can have it, but they dont get to force participation or prohibit other health care systems from arising in the private market.

That is what the ACA did...forced people to participate even when they already had an insurance plan but had to give it up because democrats who wrote the ACA said their previous plan was garbage. The real reason the ACA kick people out of their previous plans was because it needed all the people because they needed a high percentage of subscribers to pay for it. Young healthy people who the ACA needed, avoided the ACA and was willing to pay a penalty which was lower than the ACA premiums which in turn forced the insurance companies to raise their rates.
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Old 03-02-2019, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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Is this related in any way to the "Trumpcare on day one!" hoax?

Enquiring minds want to know.


Which is the bigger hoax...if you like you doctor you can keep your doctor, if you like your health care plan you can keep your health care plan?

Or a plan that liberals/progressives/socialist have resisted since day one because Trump has his name on it?
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Old 03-02-2019, 05:19 PM
 
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Your math is wrong. Only about 10% of Americans are without health insurance now, so that would be the incremental increase to the cost. All other Americans who are currently paying for premiums now would pay those premiums to the single-provider, so they would not have a change.



There are many proposals for how Medicare-for-all would work. Nobody believes that the new Medicare for all will be the old Medicare, it would be similar is about it. Medigap would be absorbed into the new "Medicare for all" so it would no longer be needed. The idea is to get rid of any private medical insurance and have Medicare-for-all provide everything that was formerly provided privately.
I don't have to buy medical insurance. Can I opt out of medicare for all?
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Old 03-02-2019, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Which is the bigger hoax...if you like you doctor you can keep your doctor, if you like your health care plan you can keep your health care plan?
Trumpcare is the bigger hoax. It never existed, despite all the promises that it was ready to go "on day one!"
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Or a plan that liberals/progressives/socialist have resisted since day one because Trump has his name on it?

Dems never resisted it because it never existed in the first place.

That is the very definition of a hoax.

Carry on.

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Old 03-02-2019, 05:44 PM
 
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I think "Medicare For All" should be considered, the details to be worked out by Congress. Keep in mind the fact that Medicare part A is just hospitalization insurance. Everyone who has health insurance has hospitalization insurance and the uninsured who are hospitalized everyone is paying for now. I suggest that insurers offer programs with the option of Medicare part A as a part of the policy.

Medicare part B is out of hospital health care insurance. Physicians will oppose that because it limits their fees.

I suggest small steps starting with part A option.
No. Pay for your own stuff.
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Old 03-02-2019, 05:51 PM
 
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No. Pay for your own stuff.
What about children with cancer or those needing transplants, should they have to pay?
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Old 03-02-2019, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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I think "Medicare For All" should be considered, the details to be worked out by Congress. Keep in mind the fact that Medicare part A is just hospitalization insurance. Everyone who has health insurance has hospitalization insurance and the uninsured who are hospitalized everyone is paying for now. I suggest that insurers offer programs with the option of Medicare part A as a part of the policy.

Medicare part B is out of hospital health care insurance. Physicians will oppose that because it limits their fees.

I suggest small steps starting with part A option.
I am with you bro!

You ain't thinking Medicare Part A (aka Hospitalization) is free, are you?

And let's see what Medicare has to say about it.

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Part A costs
How much does Part A cost?
Premium-free Part A
You usually don't pay a monthly premium for Medicare Part A (Hospital Insurance) coverage if you or your spouse paid Medicare taxes for a certain amount of time while working. This is sometimes called "premium-free Part A."

Most people get premium-free Part A.

You can get premium-free Part A at 65 if:

You already get retirement benefits from Social Security or the Railroad Retirement Board.
You're eligible to get Social Security or Railroad benefits but haven't filed for them yet.
You or your spouse had Medicare-covered government employment.
If you're under 65, you can get premium-free Part A if:

You got Social Security or Railroad Retirement Board disability benefits for 24 months.
You have End-Stage Renal Disease (ESRD) and meet certain requirements.
Part A premiums
If you buy Part A, you'll pay up to $437 each month. If you paid Medicare taxes for less than 30 quarters, the standard Part A premium is $437. If you paid Medicare taxes for 30-39 quarters, the standard Part A premium is $240.

In most cases, if you choose to buy Part A, you must also:

Have Medicare Part B (Medical Insurance)
Pay monthly premiums for both Part A and Part B
Contact Social Security for more information about the Part A premium.
Sounds good to me.... buy into if it you worked less than quarters (10 years) and pay $437/month and on top of that pay the Medicare Part B plus the Supplement and a married couple will be right up there at $1,400/month with Medicare for all!

Darn, there goes the free lunch again!
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Old 03-02-2019, 06:00 PM
 
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Medicare for All, means the end of Medicare
It also means the End of all Private Insurance, including Employer & Union.

Do people really want that? I doubt it.
Everyone drops down to a form of Medicaid .... and Nationalized Hospitals and Doctors.
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Old 03-02-2019, 06:01 PM
 
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What about children with cancer or those needing transplants, should they have to pay?
That’s what parents are for. Their children are not my problem.
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