Think AOC, Omar and Tlaib are just coincidences? THINK AGAIN! (unemployment, enemy)

[illinoisphotographer]

I think the Republicans, as a party, have been going far right for the past 4-8 years and have given up on the notion of a "fiscal conservative" - This, of course hurt in 2018 and will hurt again in 2020.

A handful of far left congresspeople isn't an issue. If anything, the Democratic party isn't nearly as "left" as most other country's democratic parties. Of course, I find it funny that the right is so obsessed over a Freshman house member who has the power of 1/435.

[MaryoVilla]

I'm going to predict these 3 anti-American witches are all one-term wonder, you watch and see. They will need more than the stupid "justice democrats" to change America how they want it to be.

[settled00]

I agree with Vector1, I couldn't get past 40 seconds before I had to turn it off. Not a fan of the screaming frenzy.

[momonkey]

Originally Posted by craigiri

What a way to spend the money of the echo chamber billionaires! They seem so scared of people who represent one of 100's of district that they wage an all-out campaign to discredit them.

But, as Trump has taught even the Trumpies, any promo is good promo! People who knew nothing about these folks are now likely to read their words or listen to them..and I suspect a lot of people will agree with some of the things they favor.....

I remember when Bernie used to be on the radio once a week. When reasonable republicans and "conservatives" would call in they would end up really liking what he had to say. You know "radical" things like spending our money on US....and stuff like that.

I also like most everything the left wants to do, i.e., free college, free medical coverage, free childcare, transition to green energy, middle-class union jobs, etc.

The problem is that when we start getting down to the nuts and bolts of how all this will come to be, it simply doesn't work.

It doesn't work because we are trying to create a functional and fair collective, and collectives are, by their very definition, unfair to earners.

And since the very people that will be required to fund this new bureaucratic Behemoth will be certain to derive little or no benefit from it, it will never exist.

But just because this new and improved nanny state is a non-starter, that doesn't mean the mooch voters they hope to influence will be able reason that out.

That means they can get cute bartenders, like AOC, elected to Congress where people like George Soros., et.al., can pull their strings.

[Jay F]

Originally Posted by illinoisphotographer

I think the Republicans, as a party, have been going far right for the past 4-8 years and have given up on the notion of a "fiscal conservative" - This, of course hurt in 2018 and will hurt again in 2020.

A handful of far left congresspeople isn't an issue. If anything, the Democratic party isn't nearly as "left" as most other country's democratic parties. Of course, I find it funny that the right is so obsessed over a Freshman house member who has the power of 1/435.

The fact that Republicans have given up on being fiscal conservatives bothers me a lot but I don't think most people care or even know about it. Democrats won in 2018 due to two solid years of continuous Trump bashing, it took its toll.

As someone who wants fiscal conservatism voting for Democrats is not even tempting. No party wants to cut spending and cut our debt. I guess if Howard Schultz runs as an independent I might consider him because he said the debt is our country's biggest problem.

[Fifty Seven]

Originally Posted by Jay F

The fact that Republicans have given up on being fiscal conservatives bothers me a lot but I don't think most people care or even know about it. Democrats won in 2018 due to two solid years of continuous Trump bashing, it took its toll.

As someone who wants fiscal conservatism voting for Democrats is not even tempting. No party wants to cut spending and cut our debt. I guess if Howard Schultz runs as an independent I might consider him because he said the debt is our country's biggest problem.

Cutting spending is impossible under our current political paradigm. The democrats have successfully demonized all attempts to reduce spending on the part of conservatives to the point where they see the futility of it and don't even bother anymore, beyond the occasional generalized pandering. Now the thinking is that if we're increasing spending no matter what let's just make sure we get a piece of the pie.

Any time you cut spending someone loses money. If those losing money are sympathetic subjects(little people) then you just put a magnifying glass on them and tug at people's heart strings. If those losing money are big donors they just make threats behind the scenes and the cuts quietly go away.

We're at the point where the cat is out of the bag and we've discovered that we can vote ourselves access to other people's money. There is no recovering from that.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by phma

The Three Stooges have made their comeback in congress and not Hollywood !!!

( Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, and Rashida Tlaib )

And Shemp, the fourth stooge, is in the White House.

[Vector1]

Originally Posted by illinoisphotographer

I think the Republicans, as a party, have been going far right for the past 4-8 years and have given up on the notion of a "fiscal conservative" - This, of course hurt in 2018 and will hurt again in 2020.

A handful of far left congresspeople isn't an issue. If anything, the Democratic party isn't nearly as "left" as most other country's democratic parties. Of course, I find it funny that the right is so obsessed over a Freshman house member who has the power of 1/435.

I have heard the belief of what you expressed many times.
That said, I decided not to trust my own judgement, and to look up over the last 30 years just how far the Republicans went further right, and how far the Democrats went further left.

Full disclosure, I thought both had gone in those directions, though the Democrats more so.

Keep in mind I have people in my family that are lifelong members of both parties, and we have had interesting discussions over the years.
Rather than read articles or opinion pieces, I decided to research the election cycle platforms of both the DNC & RNC in presidential elections. To me that is the fairest way to determine exactly what each party stands for (at that given point in time) and wishes to accomplish in the coming 4 years.
Before I say any more, I highly recommend you and others do the same, rather than just trust what I am about to type.

While it might come as a surprise to you, the Republicans have not gone that far right in the last 30 even 40 years, especially on social issues.
That is important, as people tend to be more passionate about those issues, and expect a litmus test showing someone credentials to be one of them.

Conversely, the Democrats have in fact gone far left, even if you were to only go back just to Bill Clintons presidency, and the accompanying DNC platform. Heck if you were looking at Jimmy Carters days (and if you go back there or anything prior), you would not even recognize today's (D) party with what it was back then.

As I have said before, do not take my word for it, just look it up yourself.
I suspect that many who proclaim it is the (R's) who have gone far right, are not realizing that the further your party goes in the opposite direction, the less moderate the other side seems.
From a logical point and generalization, conservatives by their very nature try to keep things the same, where as liberals by their very nature look to change things.
A perfect example would be when you hear about "activist justices" on the scotus.
If a strict constructionist/originalist (they tend to be predominantly conservative) wants to undo what a liberal court did in the past, are they being activist, or are they trying to undo what activists have done?

The main point is that many in either party knows someone like AOC in and of herself can do little. However if you watched the video, Cenk and others have decided to remake the Democratic party not so much based on ideology, but power.
If the Justice Democrats wanted to distinguish themselves from the DNC and establishment candidates, they would just run their own candidates and allow the voters to decide. But they know any political party outside of the two major ones has very little chance of succeeding.
So to their credit, they saw what Bernie Sanders did (and the DNC allowed him to do by running as a Democrat), and a light bulb went off.
Now the "Justice Democrats" have top Bernie people working for them, and they actually got 7 new members of Congress elected.
These 7 (along with others who ran and lost) have been espousing hardcore leftist ideals. They are far left of where even today's Democratic party is, and that is the point.

In twenty years from now (if this group has their way) you and I will not recognize the Democratic party of today, any more than Democrats of 20 years ago recognize it from the Bill Clinton presidency. Only this time the chasm will be even greater.
Then the supporters of the new Demcorats of 2040 will say the Republicans have gone hard right, even if they have not moved an inch from where they are today.
Why you ask?
Simple, because if the (D) party is taken over by radical leftists of the "Justice Democrats" espousing socialism/communism, today's Republicans will seem radical right, even if they stay the same as they are today!

[heart84]

With things being so divided there will be more "fringe" candidates. Third-party candidates will also poll better as people continue to look for alternatives from the "establishment."

[Vector1]

Originally Posted by heart84

With things being so divided there will be more "fringe" candidates. Third-party candidates will also poll better as people continue to look for alternatives from the "establishment."

There is some merit in what you say, as it has happened in other countries as well.

Take Northern Ireland for example.
The two main parties at the time of the signing of the Good Friday Agreement were the more moderate UUP which represented the Unionist/Protestant majority, and the SDLP which represented the Nationalist/Catholic minority.
Today both populations are almost equal numbers wise.
However the UUP was replaced by the DUP which is a more hardline political party for the Unioinists, and the SDLP was replaced by SF which is more hardline for the Nationalists.
Twenty years ago, neither of them had much support, but now they both dwarf the other two parties.

This will likely not happen in America for a variety of reasons.

However the Democrats are endanger of losing control of their own party, as is evident by virtually every declared 2020 candidate trying to get further left of one another.
Some are espousing just as radical an idea as AOC, Omar and Tliab. Just the fact they are sugar coating what Omar said as if she was unaware of her speech being anti-Jew, is a look into their political calculation.

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