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Old 03-12-2019, 02:26 PM
 
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Bull. Cut the crap. I would bet any amount of money that most of the people doing this are liberal dems who present themselves one way in public and another in private. Hollywood has most dems scammed.
This article provides a list of who was charged, and details about their lives. I really don't believe that "most" of these people are liberal dems. But you can check for yourself.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/12/a-sl...ting-scam.html
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Old 03-12-2019, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Affirmative action does mean lowered standards for minorities. I've previously posted links about this.

It does mean lowered standards but is awarded to those with a high chance of achievement and it is done in the open, it is not a subversion of the system as was the case here. This action was criminal awarding underachieving students enrollment purely on bribes.
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Old 03-12-2019, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Maine
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Apparently none of these celebrities or financial heavyweight parents pushed to get their kids into CalTech or MIT...

They would have been almost certain to flunk out of those schools.

Some things cannot be secured with money, no matter how much one throws at the world. True love is one of those things. A degree from CalTech is another. Everyone at CalTech is genius level.
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Old 03-12-2019, 02:37 PM
 
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This article provides a list of who was charged, and details about their lives. I really don't believe that "most" of these people are liberal dems. But you can check for yourself.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/12/a-sl...ting-scam.html
A good percentage of them are from California. Pretty sure they're Dems........
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Old 03-12-2019, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Florida
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This goes back decades.... A lot of very well known people are going to be named. This was the rich and connected, buying their way in an unequal rigged scheme. Buying their kids way to being connected themselves.
OF course it has. Corruption is always a part of the picture in a system where money is the motive.
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Old 03-12-2019, 02:46 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Affirmative action is all else being equal. it doesn't drop the standard to allow admission.
VERY false. It does indeed drop the standard, and in some cases, quite significantly so.

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"In a windowless classroom at an Arcadia tutoring center, parents crammed into child-sized desks and dug through their pockets and purses for pens as Ann Lee launches a PowerPoint presentation.

Her primer on college admissions begins with the basics: application deadlines, the relative virtues of the SAT versus the ACT and how many Advanced Placement tests to take.

Then she eases into a potentially incendiary topic — one that many counselors like her have learned they cannot avoid.

"Let's talk about Asians," she says.

Lee's next slide shows three columns of numbers from a Princeton University study that tried to measure how race and ethnicity affect admissions by using SAT scores as a benchmark. It uses the term "bonus" to describe how many extra SAT points an applicant's race is worth. She points to the first column.

African Americans received a "bonus" of 230 points, Lee says.

She points to the second column.

"Hispanics received a bonus of 185 points."

The last column draws gasps.

Asian Americans, Lee says, are penalized by 50 points — in other words, they had to do that much better to win admission."
A changed landscape on college admissions - LA Times


Whites receive neither bonus points nor a penalty handicap on their SAT scores. They're taken at face value.
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Old 03-12-2019, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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It does mean lowered standards but is awarded to those with a high chance of achievement and it is done in the open, it is not a subversion of the system as was the case here. This action was criminal awarding underachieving students enrollment purely on bribes.
I'm not sure how true the bolded is, because the graduation rates of minorities is low. Quite frankly, I think lowering admissions standards sets students up to fail. They get in, but cannot keep up. But I completely agree with you that AA is legal, out in the open, and not gaming the system.
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Old 03-12-2019, 02:49 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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This article provides a list of who was charged, and details about their lives. I really don't believe that "most" of these people are liberal dems. But you can check for yourself.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/12/a-sl...ting-scam.html
Most are blue-staters. Very likely to be Democrats.
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Old 03-12-2019, 02:52 PM
 
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... AA is legal, out in the open, and not gaming the system.
AA is not legal in all states. Florida outlawed it. As of 2012 these 8 states outlawed it. Not sure if more outlawed it after 2012


http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...-already-have/

UPDATE: Here's a state list for affirmative action for college acceptance. For those states that don't outright ban AA, most public universities don't use AA anyway. Seems it's a school by school basis per this list.


https://ballotpedia.org/State_data_o..._in_admissions

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Old 03-12-2019, 02:57 PM
 
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Do you really believe Bush's children are all that smart to attend Yale etc.? And Obama's daughter at Harvard?
Celebrities are not as powerful as politicians so they have to pay.
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