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Old 03-14-2019, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Wrong. That's not the only evidence needed.


Keep trying, though.

Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793
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Old 03-14-2019, 08:28 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793


"Gross negligence" being the obvious bar there.


Like I said, that's not all the evidence that's needed - you would also need evidence of "gross negligence". Under your criteria, every incidence of spillage would be prosecutable as treason. Which is, on its face, ridiculous.
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Old 03-14-2019, 09:32 AM
 
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Good for DOJ. They recognize treason is a higher crime then lazy.
Trump and his Republicans are trying, with their allegience to Russia and Americas money...to overthrow American democracy. Treason. Who, by the way , call the Constitution ridiculous and stupid.

Hillary sent emails from home instead of going to work.
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Old 03-14-2019, 09:43 AM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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Good for DOJ. They recognize treason is a higher crime then lazy.
Trump and his Republicans are trying, with their allegience to Russia and Americas money...to overthrow American democracy. Treason. Who, by the way , call the Constitution ridiculous and stupid.

Hillary sent emails from home instead of going to work.
You're either delusional or purposely trolling, possibly both.
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Old 03-14-2019, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Their conversations went beyond political opinion, way beyond. Maybe to plotting a way - ahem, Watergate? - to prevent a political candidate from being elected, to even participating in a back alley coup.

That is more like what they colluded about in their plethora of txts.
If you have some subsequent action they took I would like to hear it. Claims that there were secret meetings which I believe was a call for happy hour are laughable.
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Old 03-14-2019, 10:17 AM
 
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"Gross negligence" being the obvious bar there.


Like I said, that's not all the evidence that's needed - you would also need evidence of "gross negligence". Under your criteria, every incidence of spillage would be prosecutable as treason. Which is, on its face, ridiculous.
Don't go nuts over this, it wasn't about treason.

Despite the plain language of the law, which as you point out says 'gross negligence,' Comey/DOJ concluded they have to prove 'intent.' That's why how Comey came to use the phrase extremely careless instead of gross negligence is suspicious, to some.
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Old 03-14-2019, 10:32 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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Don't go nuts over this, it wasn't about treason.

Despite the plain language of the law, which as you point out says 'gross negligence,' Comey/DOJ concluded they have to prove 'intent.' That's why how Comey came to use the phrase extremely careless instead of gross negligence is suspicious, to some.


*I* know and understand that. momonkey on the other hand.....
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Old 03-14-2019, 10:51 AM
 
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You're either delusional or purposely trolling, possibly both.

I will summarize...
I responded to the thread title. Pro DOJ actions.
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Old 03-14-2019, 11:41 AM
 
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Ok, I think I have the gist of this...Hillary’s use of a unprotected email server was bad, but Trump’s use of a unprotected iPhone is no big deal. Got it.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...iphone-2018-10
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Old 03-14-2019, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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It's a public facing email server with the IP listed in the MX record that must accept connections if you expect standard email delivery. If you want an example of the lack of security there was admin login that should of minimally been firewalled off except for known IP's, ideally only accessible from internal connections. This is security 101 for public facing server.
Again - You could send it emails. So what? You need to penetrate the system and gain administrator status.

A small system is difficult. Unusual traffic shows and the system is easily viewed to see if anything is going on. The system was professionally operated.

Would I be shocked if it were penetrated? Of course not. But the best evidence is that it was not.
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