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Old 03-14-2019, 04:33 PM
 
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Your lying has become unhinged.

Let’s have a confederate government of direct democracies and no corporate wealth.

The application of technology will shrink, but the technology will still exist. So rather than making smart phones that a large corporate power can sell and manufacture, people will utilize the technology from a less consumerist mind set.

And I have no intention of lowering the average age of life, but why is growing old good?

Anyways we will have a free global economy where trade is concentrated and therefore limited and people cannot own private wealth.

The valleys lakes and rivers will grow back, new innovative farming techniques will evolve, and people will be happier. You say I am deciding for them, but I am not. I am ending the consumerist disaster that requires cheap labor and exploitation to make the domestic population slaves.

Deflect, deflect, deflect.



Of course you're making decisions for them. And wishing and guessing is not really a sound economic theory. Mao tried that and millions starved to death.



Read some history rather than just babbling insensibly.
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Old 03-14-2019, 04:45 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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25% of employed people work Federal holidays.

Working retail is a choice.

Christmas Eve is not a holiday.

Hospitals, correctional institutions, utilities, data centers, truckers, all forms of transportation, trains, planes, automobiles, law enforcement, fire protection, media, hotels and a whole lot more are 24/7, 365 day operations. Then there are all the dining and entertainment venues that do bang up business serving those with the day off. And retail would not open on Thanksgiving if there were not consumers eager to consume.

Because you chose to work retail and were required to work a shift on Thanksgiving and Christmas Eve, you embrace communism?
All those places you mentioned are essential public services (not dining and entertainment of course, they ought to be closed on holidays too and shame on them for being open as well). Retail is not an essential public service. It can be closed on federal holidays, as is the case in Europe.

A lot of people who work retail have little or no other choice based on some life circumstance. Check your privilege and stop being a corporate shill.
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Old 03-14-2019, 05:05 PM
 
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I think the OP is a plant by the chamber of commerce.
He hits all the perfect notes to switch the focus on the very few calling for Communism via "words" while ignoring the "actions" and "reality" in this country that the corrupt profiteers and crony capitalists rule Washington DC.

Does anyone think these guys that buy our government want Communism?
No, they want more for themselves and less for everyone else.


It is a redirection in order to change the narrative.
Communism is the bogey man via words while thousands of companies pay off our politicians is the reality.

While would the revolving door industry insiders, politicians and lobbyists want to kill their golden goose?


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Old 03-14-2019, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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The problem isn't "capitalism", but "consumerism" on steroids / gone mad, thanks to the hucksterism of Hollywood, Madison Avenue, and the mass / mainstream media; too many of us, and especially the "trailing spouses", youngsters, retirees, institutional inmates, and all those insulated from the productive process, have simply been seduced into expecting too much, and/or shielded from the realities of making a living in the post-industrial world. That failure to communicate has often been aggravated by supervisors within the corporate structure who tend to perpetuate the myths rather than face up to, and deal with the truth. and an entertainment industry increasingly devoted to fantasy, rather than the challenges and imperfections of the real world, isn't helping things.

The basic interaction of supply and demand in an open market has little to do with this; but we all know who'll be blamed when the realities don't measure up to the unrealistic expectations.
Consumerism is a result of capitalism. Industry needs to make money and find new investment frontiers. Madison Avenue is a symptom of the problem which is private wealth.

If you want open markets then you need constant trust busting and keeping financial institutions permanently limited.

I don’t think it will work anymore like in the 50s because of international markets and digital technology, so communism and limiting the application of private wealth and technology is the only answer.
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Old 03-14-2019, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Deflect, deflect, deflect.



Of course you're making decisions for them. And wishing and guessing is not really a sound economic theory. Mao tried that and millions starved to death.



Read some history rather than just babbling insensibly.
I’ve ready plenty of history. Mao had some good ideas but he was an authoritarian who forcibly industrialized rural areas and destroyed personal freedoms.

Decentralize politics into a direct democratic confederacy of localities and you won’t see the corruption of Maoist China.
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Old 03-14-2019, 05:24 PM
 
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I’ve ready plenty of history. Mao had some good ideas but he was an authoritarian who forcibly industrialized rural areas and destroyed personal freedoms.

Decentralize politics into a direct democratic confederacy of localities and you won’t see the corruption of Maoist China.
Communism does not work because the power is too lopsided in favor of the government and their picks for winners while everyone else loses.

That is the very reason this country is going down the drain now.

Our government and Big Business is in bed together with all the power and have killed off all the power that are in their way.

They killed off all the unions and many small mom and pops and we get the same result.

The power in this country favors the big corporations and industry insiders in DC while small business and workers have zero say about it.


Fascism and Communism have the same end result.
An increasing underclass and an enrichment of the well connected to the state.


Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power

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Old 03-14-2019, 05:27 PM
 
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Go to China, you got communism there. No need to start a new one. Bye.
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Old 03-14-2019, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peywCg40Ye8


We were warned. This HAPPEND, but the Soviets FAILED in mother Russia.

Now, we are LEFT with a mess. They are called idiots; useless now but for political mayhem!

Rudderless ideology.
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Old 03-14-2019, 05:49 PM
 
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Go to China, you got communism there. No need to start a new one. Bye.
But big business sure loved going there by the thousands to take advantage of labor under communism where workers have zero rights.

The best of both worlds, cheap labor under communism and profits under capitalism.

Profiteers will take any system there is money to be made or hand outs given to them and pass the costs to everyone else.

It has zero to do with any economic system in place.

We sell weapons to terrorists and dictatorships which has zero to do with capitalism since the countries in question do not have capitalism.

Any system governed by force as I am constantly reminded does not have Capitalism.
We "trade" with countries where the people of said countries are working under the barrel of a gun.
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Old 03-14-2019, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Manchester NH
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Communism does not work because the power is too lopsided in favor of the government and their picks for winners while everyone else loses.

That is the very reason this country is going down the drain now.

Our government and Big Business is in bed together with all the power and have killed off all the power that are in their way.

They killed off all the unions and many small mom and pops and we get the same result.

The power in this country favors the big corporations and industry insiders in DC while small business and workers have zero say about it.


Fascism and Communism have the same end result.
An increasing underclass and an enrichment of the well connected to the state.


Fascism should more properly be called corporatism, since it is the merger of state and corporate power
That’s Leninism.

Communism doesn’t need a big government, or government control of property/the economy.
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