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Also - it’s completely ironic to me, this condescending talk of tribalism and inbreeding. The USA is an incredibly tribal place, much more than many other places I’ve lived in or visited. There’s a rabid tribalism and distrust between red and blue, Black and white, atheist and worshipper, coast and heartland, Christians and just about everyone else, gays and straights.
More proof that right-wingers are a domestic terrorist organization.
Fantastic. I'll see you in the next thread about yet another terror attack by a Muslim, and we can join together screaming in red ink about how it's more proof that Muslims are terrorists. All of them. Cause that's what you just did here with "right wingers" - and I know you don't want to be a hypocrite.
My theory as to why the left continually defends the worst people in society, the most useless, the most dangerous, the least "human", is that they themselves tend to be losers and misfits. So this UnderDog complex is part jealousy and part empathy. Its why they constantly attack normalcy - to subvert and weaken mainstream society.
It also explains the need for the distortion and inversion of reality, the hijacking and perversion of the language, so that they can promote these false equivocations and lies:
-diversity is strength
-love is love
-people are all the same
-everyone is equal
-inequality is unfair
-but there's no such thing as race
-and gender/sex are fluid constructs
Etc and so forth. It is pathological. These false axioms and constructs then form the basis of Identity Politics and are used to promote and justify reverse discrimination and special treatment, mass immigration, socialism and communism, and all the other harmful, anti-human schemes that denigrate the rights of individual freedom and liberty.
This is fairly typical behavior : the promotion of violent or primitive cultures, or defective belief systems based on violence and tribalism, is pretty much standard.
So whether its the barbarism and aggression inherent in Islam, or the animalistic and primitive existence of "indigenous people" (evolutionary dead-end holdouts that failed to progress along with the rest of the species), its all part and parcel of the same impulse.
Sad, really.
I actually identify as socially liberal and generally support many of the points you highlighted. My biggest issue with the left nowadays is that it has become an outlet for guilt. I want a left movement that truly supports progressive ideology without feelin the need to compromise Western culture. I want a left that is willing to stand up to crappy left wing leaders like Castro and Maduro, that stands with Israel, that doesn’t dwell on past mistakes and looks to the future.
I didn't say they are noble. They are humans, and as such why should they be peaceful when living in a hostile environment, threatened by supposedly civilized people with guns as is increasingly happening in Brazil, where land thieves are supported by the right-wing radical government there.
After centuries of genocide, why on earth would the indios have any interest in "peaceful dialogue" which killers?
Sure they are human, no one is questioning that. The problem is that far too often we run into people who portray them solely as victims even though they are just as aggressive as any other human.
I was actually specifically talking about the Sentinelise when stating “peaceful dialogue”. They have never been colonized. They live on an island administered by India, but are left alone. Nevertheless, some people have ventured over there only to end up dead. I was just trying to illustrate the point that even amongst “less advanced societies” violence is present.
Humans are inherently a violent species, there’s no denying that. It has also served us well as we’ve grown to dominate the food chain.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, I’m socially to the left, but I strongly dislike the subjective victimhood that many left leaning outlets have adopted where European colonialism is treated as an absolute ill. Almost every society has either been uprooted at one point or has displaced another.
Also - it’s completely ironic to me, this condescending talk of tribalism and inbreeding. The USA is an incredibly tribal place, much more than many other places I’ve lived in or visited. There’s a rabid tribalism and distrust between red and blue, Black and white, atheist and worshipper, coast and heartland, Christians and just about everyone else, gays and straights.
Dude, the Australian nation was seeded by criminals and the so called dregs of scociety as perceived by the first world Brits. It would never have been established, nor been such an outstanding success, had your criteria been imposed upon it.
You’re just talking crap by saying the shooting never could have happened if it wasn’t for mass migration. How on earth do you know that??? The shooter’s all over the place psychologically. It’s giving you a grand old soapbox however. I’ve been told I should listen to you because you’re not being heard.
That’s turned out to be good advice actually, keep talking mate it’s quite revealing.
Its a fact that the shooting couldn't have happened if those people weren't there, there'd be no mosque in the first place mate!
Perhaps you should stop listening to me, because frankly none of it has gotten through, and I don't even care if you agree with me or not really. Its only wasting your time, obviously. You could be using that time to do something more productive.
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I actually identify as socially liberal and generally support many of the points you highlighted. My biggest issue with the left nowadays is that it has become an outlet for guilt. I want a left movement that truly supports progressive ideology without feelin the need to compromise Western culture. I want a left that is willing to stand up to crappy left wing leaders like Castro and Maduro, that stands with Israel, that doesn’t dwell on past mistakes and looks to the future.
Well once you understand that the entire "left" ideology and movement is based on Marxism you will appreciate why what you want can NEVER happen. Its not possible. And way too contradictory, since you just threw "stand with Israel" in there - which is a cultish and irrational impulse that poisons any pretense at a rationalist political theory. Even the left is starting to crack on that. That's doomed. I think what you are politically, based on your statement, is a mash-up of some of the splinters and factions of Identity Politics. You're the classic left constituent. No unifying underlying theory or principle on the left, and that's how they aggregate voters.
Don't take that the wrong way. I'm being totally objective and dispassionate about this.
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Originally Posted by Milky Way Resident
Sure they are human, no one is questioning that. The problem is that far too often we run into people who portray them solely as victims even though they are just as aggressive as any other human.
I was actually specifically talking about the Sentinelise when stating “peaceful dialogue”. They have never been colonized. They live on an island administered by India, but are left alone. Nevertheless, some people have ventured over there only to end up dead. I was just trying to illustrate the point that even amongst “less advanced societies” violence is present.
Humans are inherently a violent species, there’s no denying that. It has also served us well as we’ve grown to dominate the food chain.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, I’m socially to the left, but I strongly dislike the subjective victimhood that many left leaning outlets have adopted where European colonialism is treated as an absolute ill. Almost every society has either been uprooted at one point or has displaced another.
You're a person without a party, unfortunately. But let me ask you this...if it were Biden/Harris, Sanders and some other stooge, and Trump/Pence as the three party options, who'd you vote for?
Its a fact that the shooting couldn't have happened if those people weren't there, there'd be no mosque in the first place mate!
Perhaps you should stop listening to me, because frankly none of it has gotten through, and I don't even care if you agree with me or not really. Its only wasting your time, obviously. You could be using that time to do something more productive.
Well once you understand that the entire "left" ideology and movement is based on Marxism you will appreciate why what you want can NEVER happen. Its not possible. And way too contradictory, since you just threw "stand with Israel" in there - which is a cultish and irrational impulse that poisons any pretense at a rationalist political theory. Even the left is starting to crack on that. That's doomed. I think what you are politically, based on your statement, is a mash-up of some of the splinters and factions of Identity Politics. You're the classic left constituent. No unifying underlying theory or principle on the left, and that's how they aggregate voters.
Don't take that the wrong way. I'm being totally objective and dispassionate about this.
You're a person without a party, unfortunately. But let me ask you this...if it were Biden/Harris, Sanders and some other stooge, and Trump/Pence as the three party options, who'd you vote for?
I would do what I did last time. Write in vote. My choice was James Webb..
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