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Some peaceable New Zealanders are even turning in their guns already, thus removing the first line of defense against insane terrorists like the one who shot up the mosques in their own country. You know, the guy who took advantage of the fact that the police never arrive soon enough to stop the bulk of the killings, and the fact that the people who ARE there are seldom in a position to stop the murderer, them being unarmed.
Great call, NZ government. The next terrorist(s) will thank you.
Yet again, people fall into the trap of believing that govt can provide the best solution to this kind of problem... or ANY solution to it. How many more of them will die in service to this silly, long-debunked notion?
Shibani Mahtani, The Washington Post
Published 8:03 am CDT, Monday, March 18, 2019
WELLINGTON, New Zealand - Some rushed to their trusted online dealers and stores to stock up on semiautomatic assault rifles. Others unlocked their secure cabinets, picked up their firearms and turned them into police stations, no questions asked.
The estimated quarter of a million gun owners across this largely quiet, peaceful South Pacific country, many of them dedicated hunters, are bracing for what are likely to be significant reforms to New Zealand's firearm laws. Leaders have hinted the changes will impact the proliferation and availability of semiautomatic weapons in particular.
The changes, agreed to in principle by the country's coalition government Monday - just 72 hours after the deadliest act of gun violence in New Zealand history - put the country in line with others that have taken swift action following tragedy within their borders. Details of the changes will be announced within the week, and must be passed by parliament.
Laws will never prevent another shooting, neither will banning semi-autos. If just one semi auto is not collected or caught at the point it is smuggled into the country
Can't legislate away hatred and insanity. If someone got run over by a Ford truck, ban all ford trucks..same illogical argument.
I suppose it depended who you were. Nazi Germany had virtually no crime. And without wanting to give the wrong impression. The Germans stuck with Hitler till the very end for a reason. Even the men later sentenced to death remained faithful. Which is why America had to "denazify" the Germans through a massive propaganda campaign while making all references to Hitler or the Nazis illegal and punishable with prison-time.
Almost none of the Jews involved in the holocaust were actually German or from other Western countries. The vast-majority of German-Jews left before the outbreak of war.
As for other Germans, quite a few turned on Hitler including multiple military officers who tried to kill him.
Back to my point though, people the government wanted to murder were denied the freedom to have firearms to defend themselves. Murderers don't generally like victims who can kill them instead.
As for other Germans, quite a few turned on Hitler including multiple military officers who tried to kill him.
Back to my point though, people the government wanted to murder were denied the freedom to have firearms to defend themselves. Murderers don't generally like victims who can kill them instead.
As far as NZ goes they have indeed made themselves an easy target. not just for terrorist attacks but if real war were to break out with say the Chinese The Chinese would over run them in a day and there would be damn little resistance. To those who would poo poo such a scenario never say never. NZ would be prime real estate for the Chinese to launch force projection in the S Pacific. Air and sea power.
Oh well it's their country. Do what you want NZ. Oh you have the admiration of the anti gunners here in the US but I wouldn't be looking for The US to follow suit with you. We are a different nation with different situations we have to deal with.
So because of one warped lunatic all the normal law abiding citizens are giving up their guns. Whether AR 15 whatever. Makes no sense. An incident like this should make people want to protect themselves more not less.
As far as NZ goes they have indeed made themselves an easy target. not just for terrorist attacks but if real war were to break out with say the Chinese The Chinese would over run them in a day and there would be damn little resistance. To those who would poo poo such a scenario never say never. NZ would be prime real estate for the Chinese to launch force projection in the S Pacific. Air and sea power.
Oh well it's their country. Do what you want NZ. Oh you have the admiration of the anti gunners here in the US but I wouldn't be looking for The US to follow suit with you. We are a different nation with different situations we have to deal with.
I agree. NZ is their own country and if they want to take this route it's on them but it's not the path to safety. The second mosque shooting ended early when somehow or other someone there took a gun from the shooter and chased them off. The police took over a half hour to do anything. A half hour is a long time to be defenseless with a madman trying to kill you in my view. Having read the killer's manifesto, it seems to me everyone here and there is playing right into what he wanted them to do.
You do realize that we have a very similar system in the United States, don't you? As in, you need a permit to carry concealed in some places but are not required to register your firearms. If you don't understand the difference between licensing and registration, I'm sorry that I won't be able to teach you today. It's late, and basic vocabulary lessons are not something I wish to teach right now.
Well there is no national registration here either...but when I use the term "Registration"..its really not about that but really the tracking (registration) at the point of sale. Which *IS* what we have here, just not as a national scheme. Now, that being said I live in CA where we have a very strict system on top of the federal one. All sales are tracked (registered) and the firearm model and serial number and retailer information is all collected and recorded.
During this process, you must also provide identification, present your gun safety certificate, and pass the federal and CA DOJ background check, etc.
It might be different where you live, but you don't get out of the background check if you buy a firearm from an FFL no matter where you live. There is the "private seller loophole" in some states, where not only is there no background check, but in some states, in addition, no records are required to be kept, so there is absolutely no "registration" in those places.
However, 12 states require FFLs to keep full transaction records of all firearm sakes and 8 states require private sellers to do that same. Then there are 7 states that require dealers to keep records of handguns (but not long guns) and 5 states that require private parties to do the same.
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Originally Posted by normstad
Wrong.
I've had a license to buy firearms in Canada since 1979. No one knows what I own, or how many or if I have none. How could they?
Well how it works in many places in the US, is that information is collected (and retained) at the point of sale. Not everywhere...and not always for all types of guns...but in some places, all the times, and for all guns (like where I live and in a bunch of other states)
Some peaceable New Zealanders are even turning in their guns already, thus removing the first line of defense against insane terrorists like the one who shot up the mosques in their own country. You know, the guy who took advantage of the fact that the police never arrive soon enough to stop the bulk of the killings, and the fact that the people who ARE there are seldom in a position to stop the murderer, them being unarmed.
Great call, NZ government. The next terrorist(s) will thank you.
Yet again, people fall into the trap of believing that govt can provide the best solution to this kind of problem... or ANY solution to it. How many more of them will die in service to this silly, long-debunked notion?
Shibani Mahtani, The Washington Post
Published 8:03 am CDT, Monday, March 18, 2019
WELLINGTON, New Zealand - Some rushed to their trusted online dealers and stores to stock up on semiautomatic assault rifles. Others unlocked their secure cabinets, picked up their firearms and turned them into police stations, no questions asked.
The estimated quarter of a million gun owners across this largely quiet, peaceful South Pacific country, many of them dedicated hunters, are bracing for what are likely to be significant reforms to New Zealand's firearm laws. Leaders have hinted the changes will impact the proliferation and availability of semiautomatic weapons in particular.
The changes, agreed to in principle by the country's coalition government Monday - just 72 hours after the deadliest act of gun violence in New Zealand history - put the country in line with others that have taken swift action following tragedy within their borders. Details of the changes will be announced within the week, and must be passed by parliament.
“Criminal madman”???
How come?
Is it because his name is not Abdul or Mohamed?
Otherwise, NZ prime minister calls him a “terrorist.”
Well there is no national registration here either...but when I use the term "Registration"..its really not about that but really the tracking (registration) at the point of sale. Which *IS* what we have here, just not as a national scheme. Now, that being said I live in CA where we have a very strict system on top of the federal one. All sales are tracked (registered) and the firearm model and serial number and retailer information is all collected and recorded.
During this process, you must also provide identification, present your gun safety certificate, and pass the federal and CA DOJ background check, etc.
It might be different where you live, but you don't get out of the background check if you buy a firearm from an FFL no matter where you live. There is the "private seller loophole" in some states, where not only is there no background check, but in some states, in addition, no records are required to be kept, so there is absolutely no "registration" in those places.
However, 12 states require FFLs to keep full transaction records of all firearm sakes and 8 states require private sellers to do that same. Then there are 7 states that require dealers to keep records of handguns (but not long guns) and 5 states that require private parties to do the same.
Well how it works in many places in the US, is that information is collected (and retained) at the point of sale. Not everywhere...and not always for all types of guns...but in some places, all the times, and for all guns (like where I live and in a bunch of other states)
None of which changes the fact that New Zealand doesn't have a registry, which was my original statement.
“Criminal madman”???
How come?
Is it because his name is not Abdul or Mohamed?
Otherwise, NZ prime minister calls him a “terrorist.”
Overwhelming vast majority of terror attacks around the globe are done by Islamofascists. Not "Christians" or "white males", as the Fake News would have you believe.
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