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Old 03-18-2019, 10:54 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...ergency-powers

Nice to see this.

Looks like even a lot of Republicans who voted against the disapproval resolution are looking at changing the law to prevent Trump (or a future POTUS) from doing the same thing again and usurping their power of the purse.

I've said before that we need to see more of this. This may be the ONE good thing to come out of this administration, Congress taking back some authority from the executive now that they have seen the abuses that are possible when you get a power hungry lunatic in there like the current orange nutcase.
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Old 03-18-2019, 11:17 PM
 
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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...ergency-powers

Nice to see this.

Looks like even a lot of Republicans who voted against the disapproval resolution are looking at changing the law to prevent Trump (or a future POTUS) from doing the same thing again and usurping their power of the purse.

I've said before that we need to see more of this. This may be the ONE good thing to come out of this administration, Congress taking back some authority from the executive now that they have seen the abuses that are possible when you get a power hungry lunatic in there like the current orange nutcase.
You mean Trump is going to get credit for something.
That's the kind of thinking that gets the communist kicked out of the collective.

Risky, very risky !!!

BTW its not going to effect Trump's emergency order.
Its closes the barn door after the horses are out.
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Old 03-18-2019, 11:40 PM
 
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https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...ergency-powers

Nice to see this.

Looks like even a lot of Republicans who voted against the disapproval resolution are looking at changing the law to prevent Trump (or a future POTUS) from doing the same thing again and usurping their power of the purse.

I've said before that we need to see more of this. This may be the ONE good thing to come out of this administration, Congress taking back some authority from the executive now that they have seen the abuses that are possible when you get a power hungry lunatic in there like the current orange nutcase.
so Congress never had a problem when they passed the law in 1976 and all previous Presidents used it many times but Trump using it 1 time to finally secured the border is the problem now? LOL

Carter used it 2 times, Reagan 6 times, HW Bush 4 times, Clinton 17 times , W BUSH 12 times, Obama 13 times.

never had the hysteria until Trump now.....lol
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Old 03-19-2019, 12:12 AM
 
Location: Richmond, VA
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so Congress never had a problem when they passed the law in 1976 and all previous Presidents used it many times but Trump using it 1 time to finally secured the border is the problem now? LOL

Carter used it 2 times, Reagan 6 times, HW Bush 4 times, Clinton 17 times , W BUSH 12 times, Obama 13 times.

never had the hysteria until Trump now.....lol
That really does tell you something about the thoughtful, apolitical use the previous Presidents all applied to use of this sweeping power...
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Old 03-19-2019, 12:13 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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so Congress never had a problem when they passed the law in 1976 and all previous Presidents used it many times but Trump using it 1 time to finally secured the border is the problem now? LOL

Carter used it 2 times, Reagan 6 times, HW Bush 4 times, Clinton 17 times , W BUSH 12 times, Obama 13 times.

never had the hysteria until Trump now.....lol
Typical low information Trumpist response.

None of the other declarations by past presidents attempted to usurp Congress’ power of the purse by spending billions of dollars in ways other than Congress had appropriated the money for.
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Old 03-19-2019, 01:08 AM
 
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Typical low information Trumpist response.

None of the other declarations by past presidents attempted to usurp Congress’ power of the purse by spending billions of dollars in ways other than Congress had appropriated the money for.
This is absolutely true. All you folks talking about how often this has been done before - in reality, it has NEVER been done before. None of those other declarations were done to circumvent the power and prerogative of the Congress. This is a power grab that seeks to make the Congress less powerful and the President more powerful. The Constitution specifically says that Congress has power over appropriations, specifically, Article I, Section 9, Clause 7, and Article I, Section 8, Clause 1. According to the Constitution, the president does not have the power to appropriate.

All you who say you are such strict constitutionalists are approving of a lot of exceptions, as Trump is constantly trying to negate it. He wants dictatorial powers, and you are willing to give them to him.
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Old 03-19-2019, 03:23 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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This is absolutely true. All you folks talking about how often this has been done before - in reality, it has NEVER been done before. None of those other declarations were done to circumvent the power and prerogative of the Congress. This is a power grab that seeks to make the Congress less powerful and the President more powerful. The Constitution specifically says that Congress has power over appropriations, specifically, Article I, Section 9, Clause 7, and Article I, Section 8, Clause 1. According to the Constitution, the president does not have the power to appropriate.

All you who say you are such strict constitutionalists are approving of a lot of exceptions, as Trump is constantly trying to negate it. He wants dictatorial powers, and you are willing to give them to him.



None of this would be necessary if Congressional Dems weren't using the power of the purse to throw a temper tantrum over one tenth of one percent of the budget out of spite.
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Old 03-19-2019, 03:39 AM
 
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Clearly some Republicans don’t seem to care if Trump wants a power grab. I guess they’re fine with a dictator.
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Old 03-19-2019, 04:47 AM
 
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None of this would be necessary if Congressional Dems weren't using the power of the purse to throw a temper tantrum over one tenth of one percent of the budget out of spite.
Didn’t Republicans have a majority in both houses for two years? Why does it become a Democratic temper tantrum that they simply failed to use that time wisely?
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Old 03-19-2019, 05:00 AM
 
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Didn’t Republicans have a majority in both houses for two years? Why does it become a Democratic temper tantrum that they simply failed to use that time wisely?


You could have said the same thing about Obama and the ACA during his first term.

To be fair, there are never Trumpers on both sides of the aisle.

However, the shear level of TDS is overwhelmingly a Democratic malady, as is opposition to all things related to immigration enforcement.

And Democrats are the ones marching in lockstep against anything Trump wants.

Timing doesn't change that.
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