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Old 03-20-2019, 01:39 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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describe devastating effects capitalism
On American society and culture: Here we go.

1.) The commoditization of art and the formation of the entertainment industry and its devastating effects its had on creativity and expression.

2.) The transformation of the American worker from citizen to consumer.

3.) The commercialization of all forms of American culture. Notice how all our major holidays involve spending money. Holidays that cannot be monetized are reduced in importance by our society. This goes for almost every element of our culture.

4.) The value of the American citizen within society is now gauged upon their ability to generate income and wealth. Those who cannot generate wealth are discarded by society (like old people for example) contrast the way we treat old people in this country to how they are respected in older less capitalist cultures.

5.) The transfer of wealth from the middle class to a smaller group of ultra wealthy individuals.

6.) The education system is structured so that the skills and knowledge you learn are for the benefit of your boss or the owner of the company. Most Americans are not the primary beneficiary of their own abilities.

7.) The entire structure of society has been modeled to run like a business even when they shouldn't. Such as healthcare services and education.

8.) The corrupting influence of large corporations and wealthy individuals on our democratic process. This has rendered America into an oligarchy in all but name.
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Old 03-20-2019, 01:51 PM
 
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Interesting. What year were you diagnosed? What insurance did you choose to buy and hold when you were diagnosed?

Your treatment worked and you were able to stay employed during the process. How did you know your specific chemo treatment was inferior and less effective than those in the other countries?

Did you have an option for your job for short term disability? Did your employer provide it? Could it have been a rider on your insurance policy?
Irrelevant questions - the whole idea is that an 85 year old shouldn't have to study Medicare ascdefghijkl and figure out which capitalist rider is the best for them.

Your questions make it seem as if are going to poke holes and say "what about this" or "you could have done this" , but there is none among us who plays the Casino perfectly and wins every hand. That is a fallacy.

In France, Germany, Denmark, etc. you'd not only have your job guaranteed, but you'd also have top treatment (and the proof is lifespan!) but you'd get PAID months off afterwards to make sure you could build your strength back up.

We pay 50 to 100% more and have worse outcomes. That should be proof enough not to nitpick or micromanage.

It doesn't take a lot of thinking to understand the Free Market doesn't work with health care. The vast majority of our real breakthroughs have been socialist (antibiotics, vaccines, sewer systems, germ theory and more).

It's quite telling that many posts after that one don't address that reasons given in that post, but just keep ranting. Dollars to donuts some of the ranters are on medicare or have family member on medicare and medicaid and whatever else.

That means that only think left for them to "argue for" is the higher prices we pay. So they are on the side of paying more (even tho they get it for free), while we "socialists" are on the side of getting it for a price competitive with the rest of the civilized world.

Which do you pick?
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Old 03-20-2019, 01:51 PM
 
Location: 89434
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Guaranteed most people don't know what socialism is. Many confuse it with communism.

Because socialism has never worked, and it leads to communism.
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Old 03-20-2019, 01:55 PM
 
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describe devastating effects capitalism
Heck, drive around Philly in the traffic and open your eyes. Open your nose and breathe in the pollution on a nice hot summer day.
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Old 03-20-2019, 01:55 PM
 
Location: 89434
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The millenials I know who want socialism usually has huge student loan debt, and can't find a job or stuck in a job that pays the same as Mc Donalds or Wal-Mart. Then they support someone like Bernie who wants to write off their debt with taxpayer dollars. Or they're too lazy to get a job or pursue higher education and want free money from the feds.
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Old 03-20-2019, 01:56 PM
 
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Because socialism has never worked, and it leads to communism.
You mean like in Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, France, Germany, Norway, etc???

I haven't seen it.
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Old 03-20-2019, 02:00 PM
 
Location: San Jose
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Because socialism has never worked, and it leads to communism.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
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Old 03-20-2019, 02:07 PM
 
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explain how you were influenced by socialism and why you think it needs to be implemented here?
Well, perhaps they rather like the idea of universal health care, only to be told it's socialism. Or they are in favor of preserving nature from the wilder excesses of private enterprises, and they were told environmentalism is just socialism in disguise. They might be in favor of social programs that keep the most vulnerable from suffering, but that was obviously socialism. Higher minimum wage? - Socialism.

Sooner or later, they'll arrive at the conclusion: This sorta sounds OK.

Race segregation was defended because integration was "communist". But now people travel more, have access to other media, can see more of the outside world.
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Old 03-20-2019, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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Yet another ridiculous thread predicated on straw-man arguments about undefined things.

Some things in America are government run, some are private. Adding one or two additional things to the list of government run does not magically transform the country in to a socialist state. People need to get over themselves.

Rather than asking how people got the notion that government run programs could ever be a good thing, maybe ask yourself why "socialism" is a bad word to you in the first place. Could it perhaps have something to do with the cold war and 50 years of US government propaganda? Talk about irony....
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Old 03-20-2019, 02:10 PM
 
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You mean like in Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, France, Germany, Norway, etc???

I haven't seen it.
Now watch a neat right-wing magic trick. In less than five posts, you'll be informed that those aren't, at all, socialist countries. But if you suggest adopting some of their policies, the wave-form collapses and suddenly they're stagnant socialist hellholes.
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