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Old 03-22-2019, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Switzerland borders france, Germany and Italy and they are all majority white nations

of the 8 million people in Switzerland about 2 million are foreign born (of other European countries)
less than 200,000 were Asian or African in origin

so it is quite homogeneous (95% white)

Switzerland also has sky-high levels of firearms per capita, making it an intriguing case study in how gun culture and violent crime don’t always overlap
If homogeneous means same as race to you, then why don't you just say that they are the same race, and that such system only works for white people.

Someone argued it is nearly impossible to immigrate to Switzerland, but it turns out 25% of the population is foreign born immigrants, which further proves they are not a very homogeneous nation.

As for firearms, they do not even lead Europe in firearm ownership. Military age men keep a military issue rifles at home, but no ammunition, so those rifles are never used for home/self defense. Licence to carry concealed are very hard to get, and hardly anyone has one. In other words, it is not even worth mentioning.

 
Old 03-22-2019, 01:08 PM
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Location: Where my bills arrive
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Lets take a peek, shall we....

Development / foreign aid contributions as a percentage of their gross national income:

1. Sweden – 1.40%
2. Norway – 1.05%
3. Luxembourg – 0.93%
4. Denmark – 0.85%
5. Netherlands – 0.76%
6. United Kingdom – 0.71%
7. Finland – 0.56%
8. Switzerland – 0.52%


Soooo.....you were saying......?
So I was saying that they aren't assisting much of anyone and we have the obligation of being the welfare office of the world. People starving in how many countries? I don' recall ever hearing of the Swiss providing assistance, refugees how many are the Swiss taking in? There rich they spend it on themselves only and they don't have obligations beyond that so they can commit as much as they do to their countries health care.
 
Old 03-22-2019, 01:12 PM
 
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Any system based on Insurance (Medicaid or Private insurance) is a system with a death panel.


all forms of insurance (Medicaid or Private) are the enemy of actual doctor/patient care.




ya'll all need to get this figured out.
 
Old 03-22-2019, 01:13 PM
 
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The Obamacare shills keep ignoring this. You can spin pointless statistics all day.

The Swiss are required, as in mandatory, to pay ~$507/month on average for basic healthcare insurance. Then there is $500-$1500 deductible on top of that. The money is collected by private insurance companies.




Might as well face it. The totally inept healthcare system called Obamacare has killed any chances of a universal healthcare by the hands of the government for at least another generation. Chalk that up as something else turned to you know what by the hapless community agitator.
 
Old 03-22-2019, 01:39 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Lets take a peek, shall we....

Development / foreign aid contributions homogeneous:

1. Sweden – 1.40%
2. Norway – 1.05%
3. Luxembourg – 0.93%
4. Denmark – 0.85%
5. Netherlands – 0.76%
6. United Kingdom – 0.71%
7. Finland – 0.56%
8. Switzerland – 0.52%


Soooo.....you were saying......?
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Originally Posted by VA Yankee View Post
So I was saying that they aren't assisting much of anyone and we have the obligation of being the welfare office of the world. People starving in how many countries? I don' recall ever hearing of the Swiss providing assistance, refugees how many are the Swiss taking in? There rich they spend it on themselves only and they don't have obligations beyond that so they can commit as much as they do to their countries health care.
I just showed you eight countries, including Switzerland, who are more heavily invested in providing welfare to other countries than the US.

US spends 0.15% of GNI on foreign aid, so Sweden spends nearly 10 times more, and Switzerland spends 4 times as more as US. There are 19 countries who spend more as % of their DNI than US.

So, it is quite the opposite of what you claim.

As for taking people in....... 25% of Swizz population are foreign born.
 
Old 03-22-2019, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The Obamacare shills keep ignoring this. You can spin pointless statistics all day.

The Swiss are required, as in mandatory, to pay ~$507/month on average for basic healthcare insurance. Then there is $500-$1500 deductible on top of that. The money is collected by private insurance companies.
Cost of insurance in Switzerland (2014)

CHF 396.12 (PPP-adjusted US$ 243) for an adult (age 26+)
CHF 363.55 (PPP-adjusted $223) for a young adult (age 19–25)
CHF 91.52 (PPP-adjusted $56.14) for a child (age 0–18)


They have the best system in the world, but your argument seems to be that a system based on private insurance is simply too expensive. Is that pretty much what you are saying?
 
Old 03-22-2019, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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If you look at the key points of their healthcare system, you will see striking similarities with ACA.

So, why is that system the best in the world in one country, and not so much in US?

The answer is simple: The Swizz had the political will to turn it into the best system in the world, while in US the priority was to sabotage the system for partisan reasons.

The end result is that the Swizz enjoy the best system in the world, and we keep busy with partisan complaints. Maybe the two party system makes such things impossible.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/hea...BV4MJG?ocid=sf

Key points:

- Swiss residents are required by law to purchase health insurance (mandatory health insurance, or MHI).
- No one is denied coverage for pre-existing conditions.
- The government subsidizes MHI for people with low income.
- Patients have direct access to all levels of care—no referrals necessary.
- MHI allows patients to choose their own provider.
- Waiting times are minimal.
- Maternity coverage is excellent: It includes prenatal care, all delivery-related costs, a week-long post-delivery hospital stay (during which baby-care skills are taught). There are also post-natal housecalls by a qualified midwife.

when are we going to stop trying to compare small countries maybe no bigger than CA with massive sized countries like the USA? Do we compare 3 world countries with 1st world countries? You can not compare apples and oranges except they are both fruits.
 
Old 03-22-2019, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Florida
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when are we going to stop trying to compare small countries maybe no bigger than CA with massive sized countries like the USA? Do we compare 3 world countries with 1st world countries? You can not compare apples and oranges except they are both fruits.
No, you didn't get it. We are not comparing the size of the country, we are comparing the healthcare systems, which are strikingly similar.
 
Old 03-22-2019, 02:14 PM
 
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The Swiss can do this because they have high productivity and a smart population. We have a bunch of useless parasites and moochers.

Let's see the Swiss with 10% of their population being illiterate peasant farmers from Mexico and LATAM and see what happens to the integrity of their system.
 
Old 03-22-2019, 02:38 PM
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Location: Where my bills arrive
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Originally Posted by Finn_Jarber View Post
I just showed you eight countries, including Switzerland, who are more heavily invested in providing welfare to other countries than the US.

US spends 0.15% of GNI on foreign aid, so Sweden spends nearly 10 times more, and Switzerland spends 4 times as more as US. There are 19 countries who spend more as % of their DNI than US.

So, it is quite the opposite of what you claim.

As for taking people in....... 25% of Swizz population are foreign born.
And the US leads the world in aide her DNI is a lower percentage because her GDP is so much higher. The 25% figure you quote are white citizens from adjoining countries, no 3rd world refugees or people of color. Please don't paint them has having an open door policy they don't and they only worry about themselves.
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