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Old 03-23-2019, 10:53 PM
 
Location: Texas
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That hurts them, since healthy people tend to live longer and old people require more health care. Also, active people are prone to injuries. Broken bones, cuts, bruises, concussions...you name it.
lol You made this up. Unhealthy people suffer far more injuries. When you are brittle you have a tendency to break easier.

 
Old 03-24-2019, 02:34 AM
 
Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD
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Hope you enjoy your new life, remember the grass is always greener over the neighbors septic tank, heres a link if you need travel arrangements.. https://www.swiss.com/us/en


It sure is!! And you're right- our neighbors 9000 miles to the east are truly above a septic tank!!
Those of us who truly earn our way in life want to improve America- you privileged folks who got everything handed to you, naturally are the love it or leave it types!! God forbid you types have what it takes to succeed on a level playing field, so yeah stay in my neighbors septic tank!! I doubt you'd succeed without your built in privilege!
 
Old 03-24-2019, 04:12 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Any system based on private insurance will be pricey, but the Swizz system is not as pricey as the US one. They spend less as % of GDP.

We could reduce costs, but that too falls flat due to partisan bickering.

Per capita GDP is significantly higher in Switzerland, so using a tweaked figure like percent of GDP undermines your argument.
 
Old 03-24-2019, 04:38 AM
 
Location: Florida
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lol You made this up. Unhealthy people suffer far more injuries. When you are brittle you have a tendency to break easier.
So, you argue old people do not require constant care due to dementia and other old-man diseases?
 
Old 03-24-2019, 04:39 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Per capita GDP is significantly higher in Switzerland, so using a tweaked figure like percent of GDP undermines your argument.
No, it is actually pretty close to ours. No significant difference. Actually if it were significantly higher, it would mean it is even more affordable for them.
 
Old 03-24-2019, 04:52 AM
 
Location: Houston
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https://medicfootprints.org/10-highe...world-doctors/

It comes down to pricing. Expanding those using healthcare will drive costs up more, not less.

Look at the $100,000 a year difference in wages for specialists in the above link. I bet nurses and other medical professionals show wage gaps also.
 
Old 03-24-2019, 05:13 AM
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Location: Where my bills arrive
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It sure is!! And you're right- our neighbors 9000 miles to the east are truly above a septic tank!!
Those of us who truly earn our way in life want to improve America- you privileged folks who got everything handed to you, naturally are the love it or leave it types!! God forbid you types have what it takes to succeed on a level playing field, so yeah stay in my neighbors septic tank!! I doubt you'd succeed without your built in privilege!
Privileged! that's a good one....

Comparing the USA to a country that has no obligations beyond themselves, helps no one, has almost no immigration from none Caucasian countries, takes in no refugees stole billions from those heading to the death camps of the Nazi's and you call me privileged.

They are an educated rich country who assists and provides little assistance if any in the world so they can commit a large portion of their GDP to health care and bill their residents for the rest as membership is mandatory. But i'm sure the $100 you pay for a prescription is what allows others to pay a 1/5 of that, just another example of the USA being the welfare office of the world.

If you want to compare choose a real country with real obligations. The only built in privilege I have is being born American which has allowed me to succeed in my own direction based on my efforts..
 
Old 03-24-2019, 05:21 AM
 
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If you look at the key points of their healthcare system, you will see striking similarities with ACA.

So, why is that system the best in the world in one country, and not so much in US?

The answer is simple: The Swizz had the political will to turn it into the best system in the world, while in US the priority was to sabotage the system for partisan reasons.

The end result is that the Swizz enjoy the best system in the world, and we keep busy with partisan complaints. Maybe the two party system makes such things impossible.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/hea...BV4MJG?ocid=sf

Key points:

- Swiss residents are required by law to purchase health insurance (mandatory health insurance, or MHI).
- No one is denied coverage for pre-existing conditions.
- The government subsidizes MHI for people with low income.
- Patients have direct access to all levels of care—no referrals necessary.
- MHI allows patients to choose their own provider.
- Waiting times are minimal.
- Maternity coverage is excellent: It includes prenatal care, all delivery-related costs, a week-long post-delivery hospital stay (during which baby-care skills are taught). There are also post-natal housecalls by a qualified midwife.

Are you kidding? Our government couldn't even get the website to work!
 
Old 03-24-2019, 05:22 AM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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Switzerland is a very, very small homogenous and CLOSED society. It is also a very wealthy country. Try to emigrate there, or buy property and see what happens. Ridiculous example for other countries unlike them to emulate.
Agreed. Small, homogeneous, strict immigration, virtually no immigrants, no culture classes because every believes in the same thing?

It's nothing like America.

If America wanted to be like Switzerland or Norway or all those small white homogeneous countries with 98% of the population the exact same race and nationality, they would literally have to go back in time and reverse the centuries of immigration this America has had.

That means no African slave trade, no Chinese immigration for the gold rush, no Ellis island, no amnesty for Hispanics who crossed into the border.

Just plain old 99.9% white people from European countries.
 
Old 03-24-2019, 05:52 AM
 
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So you are saying that for a country to be successful.. it has to have 95% + white population.


That sounds like...
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