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Old 03-22-2019, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Cali
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why are you comparing Switzerland, a country with land 3 times bigger than Los Angeles county, with 8 million homogenous population?


What's next? violent crime rate between Vermont and Los Angeles county?

 
Old 03-22-2019, 08:34 AM
 
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Huh

The Swizz system is not funded through taxes.

Please stop with the drive-by comments and try to understand what we are talking about.
People are required to pay into a system that provides basic healthcare. The companies are not allowed to make a profit on this portion of their business. If they can't afford it, then the government DOES pay (direct tax funding).

So it's a defacto tax. Only private companies are collecting it instead of the government. Government covers any loses. (taxes).

$507/month buys a lot of insurance in the USA too. How do you think it will go over in the USA if the government required everyone to work and to pay that much a month towards healthcare?
 
Old 03-22-2019, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Per your link "•Switzerland spends the highest percentage of GDP on healthcare "
Highest in Europe, not highest in the world.

Quote: "Despite the cost of the Swiss system, it’s still more affordable than the U.S. version: Overall, it makes up just 12.4 percent of the country’s gross domestic product compared to 17.2 percent in the United "

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Switzerland’s healthcare system derives a significant portion of funding from mandatory Swiss health insurance premiums and out-of-pocket payments, meaning there is no free healthcare in Switzerland.
That is what I have been saying. I specifically said it is NOT free.

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Old 03-22-2019, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Florida
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why are you comparing Switzerland, a country with land 3 times bigger than Los Angeles county, with 8 million homogenous population?
Homogeneous population, which speaks four different languages

Heck, in US we see heads explode when someone speaks Spanish.

How does the US land size make such system impossible?

However, you are missing the obvious point, because we are not comparing the countries land size, population size or skin colors. We are comparing the healthcare systems.

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Old 03-22-2019, 08:40 AM
 
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Quote: "Despite the cost of the Swiss system, it’s still more affordable than the U.S. version: Overall, it makes up just 12.4 percent of the country’s gross domestic product compared to 17.2 percent in the United "

How many people can afford to pay a manditory $507/month towards their healthcare?
 
Old 03-22-2019, 08:48 AM
 
Location: USA
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There is some truth to the fact that the USA seems to have defeatist attitude about implementing fixes to the health care system. Rather than work towards making it the best for all citizens -- they spend much time and effort shooting down reasons why any solution just won't work -- by focusing on failures.

It's as if the USA can't do anything better.
Well, if Obama care wasn't a total lie, "saving $2500 a year, keeping your existing Insurance and Doctor" you might be able to sell it to the population. But, of course more Democrat BS.
 
Old 03-22-2019, 08:50 AM
 
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How many people can afford to pay a manditory $507/month towards their healthcare?
Of course, Americans in general are not nearly as healthy so the cost would be much higher.
 
Old 03-22-2019, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Well, if Obama care wasn't a total lie, "saving $2500 a year, keeping your existing Insurance and Doctor" you might be able to sell it to the population. But, of course more Democrat BS.
The interesting thing here is that the Swizz system and ACA are practically identocal, and in Switzerland it ended up being the best system in the world, and in US if ended up being political pinata, and the target of political sabotage. If we had the political will, our issues with our system would have been resolved and it would serve our citizens just as well as the Swizz system serves them. Unfortunately the will does not exists. Only the will to tear it down exists.

As you can see from what is happening in DC, and even the comments right here, people insist on offering excuses and reasons why its everything is impossible. The Swizz are "can do" people, while we are "no can do" and its all because of partisan politics.
 
Old 03-22-2019, 09:06 AM
 
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Lmao at people saying Switzerland is soooo wealthy. We could have much better healthcare if the companies weren’t in control of our government.
 
Old 03-22-2019, 09:06 AM
 
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The interesting thing here is that the Swizz system and ACA are practically identocal, and in Switzerland it ended up being the best system in the world, and in US if ended up being political pinata, and the target of political sabotage. If we had the political will, our issues with our system would have been resolved and it would serve our citizens just as well as the Swizz system serves them. Unfortunately the will does not exists. Only the will to tear it down exists.

As you can see from what is happening in DC, and even the comments right here, people insist on offering excuses and reasons why its everything is impossible. The Swizz are "can do" people, while we are "no can do" and its all because of partisan politics.
Might be right on that.

You might want to mention that the Swiss systems is fairly new.
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