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Old 03-23-2019, 03:06 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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There are literally hundreds of countries/territories where this have worked and is working. EVERY country that tried it, have it worked for them.


If you want to go with the "this won't work" BS, you have to explain what makes us so different from the 100% of the other countries.


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Until their governments start doing the killing. We have too many examples in the recent past of mass murder of citizens by their own governments to do away with our second amendment. No nation is immune from a crazy despot taking power.
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Old 03-23-2019, 03:52 PM
 
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You can own long rifles for hunting in Japan and air rifles. Very strict, yearly inspections and drug tests.
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Old 03-23-2019, 11:39 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The only proactive government "gun control" agenda that has ever worked, is a total nationwide ban and confiscation. And even that only works when govt conducts repeated periodic sweeps. Checking every house for illegal guns again and again, indefinitely into the future, whether the residents like it or not. In other words, an all-watchful, all-powerful police state.

Democrats up to and including Barack Obama, have praised various nations whose rates of gun deaths have gone down - Japan, Australia, England etc. And they have even expressed a desire to emulate them. Well, guess what: Those are the countries who have almost totally banned guns and even confiscated them. (Mandatory so-called "gun buybacks" are merely forced confiscation where taxpayers are also forced to subsidize you).

Keep in mind that when leftists do-gooders say they want only a few more "reasonable restrictions" on guns, it's because the restrictions they imposed last year didn't work. Crime and mass shootings continue merrily along. And so now they want to impose a few more regulations and restrictions. And when those don't work, next year a few more. The only scheme that does work, is complete confiscation of all of the people's guns, followed by regular house-to-house searches. And that's exactly what they are gradually working their way up to, one small piece at a time.

So-called "gun control" laws are only obeyed by the law-abiding. And they aren't the ones causing the problem.

https://www.rollcall.com/news/house-...ats-arent-rush
Everytime, violent crime rose afterwards. Britain, Brazil and Venezuela, are the most recent perfect examples of that.
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Old 03-28-2019, 02:15 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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You think the war on drugs hasn't led to a huge increase in actions that indicate we have a police state?

You know how to boil a frog right?

Look at law enforcement from the 60s to early 70s, and compare to now. How many no knock warrants were issued in 1970, how many in 2017? How many "accidental" shootings happened during the execution of those warrants from 1970 and 2017? How much body armor and MRAPs did cops have in 1970, how many now? How many pets were killed on 1970, how many now? How much cash (or cash equivalents) could you deposit at the bank in 1970 without the FedGov being informed, how much now ($10,000 and you have to explain its source). What about stop and frisk, you think New Yorkers would have accepted this in the 60s and 70s? They did over 600,000 in New York in 2010. Then there's general surveillance that's exploded since 2001, under the auspices of anti-terrorism, but, it's also identifying more than just terror risks (and define 'terror risk').

Yeah, I think you've not been paying attention if you don't think the US is more than half way down the police state path. Is it the "war on drugs"? Maybe, certainly everything before 2000 was not in regards to the 'war on terror', its intentionally blurred post 2001, because we all know drug profits are funnelled to terrorist organisations don't we?
So you think a national gun registry is going to lead to daily searches for guns in people's homes when that's not even happening for meth and crack? That's crazy talk.

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What “simplest” things?
National gun registry.
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Old 03-28-2019, 04:12 AM
 
Location: Itinerant
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So you think a national gun registry is going to lead to daily searches for guns in people's homes when that's not even happening for meth and crack? That's crazy talk.
There's no registry for meth and crack. If there is a registry for guns, what period would you think is appropriate for searches of registered gun owners homes? How will this help find guns in the homes of unregistered gun owners?
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Old 03-28-2019, 04:20 AM
 
Location: Florida
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The only proactive government "gun control" agenda that has ever worked, is a total nationwide ban and confiscation. And even that only works when govt conducts repeated periodic sweeps. Checking every house for illegal guns again and again, indefinitely into the future, whether the residents like it or not. In other words, an all-watchful, all-powerful police state.

Democrats up to and including Barack Obama, have praised various nations whose rates of gun deaths have gone down - Japan, Australia, England etc. And they have even expressed a desire to emulate them. Well, guess what: Those are the countries who have almost totally banned guns and even confiscated them. (Mandatory so-called "gun buybacks" are merely forced confiscation where taxpayers are also forced to subsidize you).

Keep in mind that when leftists do-gooders say they want only a few more "reasonable restrictions" on guns, it's because the restrictions they imposed last year didn't work. Crime and mass shootings continue merrily along. And so now they want to impose a few more regulations and restrictions. And when those don't work, next year a few more. The only scheme that does work, is complete confiscation of all of the people's guns, followed by regular house-to-house searches. And that's exactly what they are gradually working their way up to, one small piece at a time.

So-called "gun control" laws are only obeyed by the law-abiding. And they aren't the ones causing the problem.

https://www.rollcall.com/news/house-...ats-arent-rush
Ah, the good old "they're coming for your guns" cry.

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Keep in mind that when leftists do-gooders say they want only a few more "reasonable restrictions" on guns, it's because the restrictions they imposed last year didn't work.
What restrictions?
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Old 03-28-2019, 04:33 AM
 
Location: DFW
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Ah, the good old "they're coming for your guns" cry.

What restrictions?
Ah, the good old "We don't want to confiscate your guns just restrict the weapons of war" cry.

Which is a complete lie. To most Liberals, they are all semi-automatics and weapons of war and must all be confiscated.

Socialist are just communist who haven't taken your guns yet.

On a side note... In the UK once they take away most of your guns and people resort to other methods, then they start restricting knives and other methods to kill. It will never stop.
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Old 03-28-2019, 04:57 AM
 
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The only proactive government "gun control" agenda that has ever worked, is a total nationwide ban and confiscation. And even that only works when govt conducts repeated periodic sweeps. Checking every house for illegal guns again and again, indefinitely into the future, whether the residents like it or not. In other words, an all-watchful, all-powerful police state.

Democrats up to and including Barack Obama, have praised various nations whose rates of gun deaths have gone down - Japan, Australia, England etc. And they have even expressed a desire to emulate them. Well, guess what: Those are the countries who have almost totally banned guns and even confiscated them. (Mandatory so-called "gun buybacks" are merely forced confiscation where taxpayers are also forced to subsidize you).

Keep in mind that when leftists do-gooders say they want only a few more "reasonable restrictions" on guns, it's because the restrictions they imposed last year didn't work. Crime and mass shootings continue merrily along. And so now they want to impose a few more regulations and restrictions. And when those don't work, next year a few more. The only scheme that does work, is complete confiscation of all of the people's guns, followed by regular house-to-house searches. And that's exactly what they are gradually working their way up to, one small piece at a time.

So-called "gun control" laws are only obeyed by the law-abiding. And they aren't the ones causing the problem.

https://www.rollcall.com/news/house-...ats-arent-rush
I have always wondered what an “illegal” gun is? Did it cross the border illegally? How can someone with a functioning brain cell put a human condition on an inanimate hunk of steel?
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Old 03-28-2019, 05:04 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Ah, the good old "We don't want to confiscate your guns just restrict the weapons of war" cry.

Which is a complete lie. To most Liberals, they are all semi-automatics and weapons of war and must all be confiscated.
Sure, except that I made no such argument

Reading comprehension helps
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Old 03-28-2019, 06:49 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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The only proactive government "gun control" agenda that has ever worked, is a total nationwide ban and confiscation. And even that only works when govt conducts repeated periodic sweeps. Checking every house for illegal guns again and again, indefinitely into the future, whether the residents like it or not. In other words, an all-watchful, all-powerful police state.

Democrats up to and including Barack Obama, have praised various nations whose rates of gun deaths have gone down - Japan, Australia, England etc. And they have even expressed a desire to emulate them. Well, guess what: Those are the countries who have almost totally banned guns and even confiscated them. (Mandatory so-called "gun buybacks" are merely forced confiscation where taxpayers are also forced to subsidize you).

Keep in mind that when leftists do-gooders say they want only a few more "reasonable restrictions" on guns, it's because the restrictions they imposed last year didn't work. Crime and mass shootings continue merrily along. And so now they want to impose a few more regulations and restrictions. And when those don't work, next year a few more. The only scheme that does work, is complete confiscation of all of the people's guns, followed by regular house-to-house searches. And that's exactly what they are gradually working their way up to, one small piece at a time.

So-called "gun control" laws are only obeyed by the law-abiding. And they aren't the ones causing the problem.

https://www.rollcall.com/news/house-...ats-arent-rush
The UK hasn't 'banned guns'? This seems to be a common 'myth' 'over there', the UK does however have stricter controls, the result - far far far far far far far fewer people get shot to death in the UK than in the US. If people in the US are 'happy' at 30 to 40 THOUSAND people losing their lives every year and don't feel the need to address the problem (or at least try) then it really is up to them, it comes across to many people in the rest of the world as rather 'stupid' though.
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