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Old 03-22-2019, 12:24 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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The only proactive government "gun control" agenda that has ever worked, is a total nationwide ban and confiscation. And even that only works when govt conducts repeated periodic sweeps. Checking every house for illegal guns again and again, indefinitely into the future, whether the residents like it or not. In other words, an all-watchful, all-powerful police state.

Democrats up to and including Barack Obama, have praised various nations whose rates of gun deaths have gone down - Japan, Australia, England etc. And they have even expressed a desire to emulate them. Well, guess what: Those are the countries who have almost totally banned guns and even confiscated them. (Mandatory so-called "gun buybacks" are merely forced confiscation where taxpayers are also forced to subsidize you).

Keep in mind that when leftists do-gooders say they want only a few more "reasonable restrictions" on guns, it's because the restrictions they imposed last year didn't work. Crime and mass shootings continue merrily along. And so now they want to impose a few more regulations and restrictions. And when those don't work, next year a few more. The only scheme that does work, is complete confiscation of all of the people's guns, followed by regular house-to-house searches. And that's exactly what they are gradually working their way up to, one small piece at a time.

So-called "gun control" laws are only obeyed by the law-abiding. And they aren't the ones causing the problem.

https://www.rollcall.com/news/house-...ats-arent-rush
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Old 03-22-2019, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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I always ask anti 2nd amendment types what they plan on doing next when their "reasonable restrictions" don't work.

They never seem to have an answer.
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Old 03-22-2019, 12:34 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I always ask anti 2nd amendment types what they plan on doing next when their "reasonable restrictions" don't work.

They never seem to have an answer.
Yes, they do.

Thy just don't want to tell normal American people what it is.
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Old 03-22-2019, 12:36 PM
 
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I always ask anti 2nd amendment types what they plan on doing next when their "reasonable restrictions" don't work.

They never seem to have an answer.

There are literally hundreds of countries/territories where this have worked and is working. EVERY country that tried it, have it worked for them.


If you want to go with the "this won't work" BS, you have to explain what makes us so different from the 100% of the other countries.


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Old 03-22-2019, 12:39 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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There are literally hundreds of countries/territories where this have worked and is working. EVERY country that tried it, have it worked for them.
So many assertions.

So little evidence or proof.

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Old 03-22-2019, 01:55 PM
 
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If you want to go with the "this won't work" BS, you have to explain what makes us so different from the 100% of the other countries.
Differences from other countries, re: guns and gun banning:
  • Population of armed US citizens > population of most other nations period.
  • 2nd Amendment; we have one, nobody else does
  • 4th Amendment; we have one, nobody else does
  • 5th Amendment; we have one, nobody else does
  • 9th Amendment; we have one, nobody else does
  • 10th Amendment; we have one, nobody else does
  • Article 1, Section 9, #3: no ex post facto law shall be passed. We have that rule, nobody else does.
  • Population of Americans who own at least one rifle (using the most conservative surveyed estimate and actually fudging down) is ~50 million people, which is ~625x the number of active duty Army or Marines in a rifle carrying MOS/billet (~80k).
That's just a few things that make the US different from other countries. For a gun ban/confiscation law/program to work, you have to get very serious about amending the Constitution to allow for such bald faced tyranny. But even if you do that, a very sizable portion of this nation will refuse to comply and actively resist. 350 million REGISTERED firearms and a few trillion rounds of ammunition - as well as 100% ownership of the means of production of everything the military eats, drinks, sleeps on and uses for equipment - give the citizens of the US an ability to resist tyranny that no nation in the history of civilization can match.

The puny, tiny number of feckless thugocrats know these numbers and stats as well as I do. Leviathan starts going door to door to confiscate legally owned firearms, and things will go badly for them in a hurry. The first thing that will happen is the agents charged with such dramatic expressions of tyranny will simply walk off the job and refuse to do their master's bidding. Once they see their comrades getting blasted every other door they knock on, it won't take long for a general refusal to carry out that particular order. And once their hired goons refuse to thug up for them, the helpless cowards in the federal government will quickly capitulate to the proper authority in this country and get back to doing what they do best - handing out free candy and making vapid, banal speeches.

You want to see a proper upheaval, ban guns and then try to confiscate them. It will go bad for Leviathan.
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Old 03-22-2019, 02:08 PM
 
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There are literally hundreds of countries/territories where this have worked and is working. EVERY country that tried it, have it worked for them.


If you want to go with the "this won't work" BS, you have to explain what makes us so different from the 100% of the other countries.


.

Bull****. Brazil and Mexico to name two. As a matter of fact, Brazil is rethinking their firearms restrictions.


What works in one country does not mean it will work here. I hate to say it but our country would most likely mimic what happened in Brazil than NZ for instance, we just have too much violent tendencies in pockets across out country.
Brazil banned firearms in 2005, yet had 60,000 murders last year. Maybe they should have gone they should have just implemented "gun free " zones and made murder illegal ?




https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/10/w...te-record.html


https://ipfs.io/ipfs/QmXoypizjW3WknF...m%2C_2005.html


https://www.ammoland.com/2019/01/bra...#axzz5ivu359aM


https://crimeresearch.org/2016/04/mu...fter-gun-bans/
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Old 03-22-2019, 02:43 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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Even such action as the OP outlines would be totally ineffective in disarming the gangs and violent criminals of other stripes. The gangs have no problem having firefights with the cops nor do many other violent criminals. Try going house to house in gang neighborhoods and it will look like Syria in short order. The cops would have to be rolling all of their SWAT resources, all their armored vehicles, pretty much all of their militarized guns and gear to try and disarm the gangs.


Of course there's the question of whether or not they would even try. Considering the hardware the gangs have the cops would need actual military back up. The military would probably have to go in first in a Fallujah style operation. So, they would probably concentrate their efforts on formerly legal and legitimate gun owners. Who may just decide to fight back as well. The gangs are better armed but legal citizens aren't exactly helpless.


A nationwide gun confiscation would turn into madness and mayhem.
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Old 03-22-2019, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Originally Posted by beb0p View Post
There are literally hundreds of countries/territories where this have worked and is working. EVERY country that tried it, have it worked for them.


If you want to go with the "this won't work" BS, you have to explain what makes us so different from the 100% of the other countries.


.


What is "this" that you refer to?

Be specific and list examples
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Old 03-22-2019, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Differences from other countries, re: guns and gun banning:
  • Population of armed US citizens > population of most other nations period.
  • 2nd Amendment; we have one, nobody else does
  • 4th Amendment; we have one, nobody else does
  • 5th Amendment; we have one, nobody else does
  • 9th Amendment; we have one, nobody else does
  • 10th Amendment; we have one, nobody else does
  • Article 1, Section 9, #3: no ex post facto law shall be passed. We have that rule, nobody else does.
  • Population of Americans who own at least one rifle (using the most conservative surveyed estimate and actually fudging down) is ~50 million people, which is ~625x the number of active duty Army or Marines in a rifle carrying MOS/billet (~80k).
That's just a few things that make the US different from other countries. For a gun ban/confiscation law/program to work, you have to get very serious about amending the Constitution to allow for such bald faced tyranny. But even if you do that, a very sizable portion of this nation will refuse to comply and actively resist. 350 million REGISTERED firearms and a few trillion rounds of ammunition - as well as 100% ownership of the means of production of everything the military eats, drinks, sleeps on and uses for equipment - give the citizens of the US an ability to resist tyranny that no nation in the history of civilization can match.

The puny, tiny number of feckless thugocrats know these numbers and stats as well as I do. Leviathan starts going door to door to confiscate legally owned firearms, and things will go badly for them in a hurry. The first thing that will happen is the agents charged with such dramatic expressions of tyranny will simply walk off the job and refuse to do their master's bidding. Once they see their comrades getting blasted every other door they knock on, it won't take long for a general refusal to carry out that particular order. And once their hired goons refuse to thug up for them, the helpless cowards in the federal government will quickly capitulate to the proper authority in this country and get back to doing what they do best - handing out free candy and making vapid, banal speeches.

You want to see a proper upheaval, ban guns and then try to confiscate them. It will go bad for Leviathan.
Brilliant.

And proof of what he says? Cities where sheriffs are refusing to enforce certain laws that infringe on the people's 2nd Amendment right.
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