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Old 03-29-2019, 07:43 AM
 
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My concern with a Trump administration has always been the incompetence of the President and those he has given responsibility to.

I think the whole Special Olympic funding is a perfect example of this.

DeVos in a public hearing, presents her budget with cuts to the Special Olympics Program. For two full days in hearings this is front and center and questioned. She defends it to a fault. How ridiculous for the govt. to fund this kind of a program. Should be private funding only....blah blah blah.Some Republican politicians do everything they can to hurl insults at the Democrats because there is opposition to these cuts.

After the President hears of the objections to this cut, she suddenly comes out and decides she's happy the cuts to this program are not going to happen. She never wanted them anyways.

The President in announcing the cuts won't happen to this program, says he didn't even know about it until that morning. (Yesterday morning -- following the two days of hearings and it dominating the news cycle).

Let's break this down.

Any dept. should present to the President's office a summary of their budget highlighting cuts, additions, major expenditures, etc. There should be an awareness of issues that may be sensitive for the public -- i.e. Special Olympics, autism programs, etc. The President's office should approve the presented budget and THEN the department presents it to the public.

In this case, the implication is DeVos presented a budget she didn't support, that wasn't supported by the President. Well then who the heck is doing the budgets? Who is in charge at the White House.

And where was the President -- who tweeted about ratings of radio shows, and talk shows and tv hosts but yet he had no clue about these cuts. He claims yesterday morning was the first he heard about it.

That could be true -- it is the first he heard of it -- but the fact he admits it as if it is perfectly normal for a President not to know about a budget being presented is unnerving. He is the President. He doesn't have to be prepare or present the department budgets but he better make sure he knows what is going on with each dept. And it isn't up to his staff to beg him to be informed. It should be what HE wants.

It's chaotic.

One of the biggest problems with the federal govt is the budget and the spending in all departments. It is clear Trump has not taken interest in the budget. except for the wall.

There's more to the federal govt. than a wall.
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Old 03-29-2019, 07:53 AM
 
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Not incompetence on the part of the administration, but rather incompetence on the part of gullible who buy the misleading headline and underlying assumption without fact checking it.

The "cut" amounts to 0.4% of Special Olympic funding. Given their current banked surplus of over $65 million, the current cut as proposed wouldn't even matter for about 75 years. If the government yanked exactly all of their funding to Special Olympics, it wouldn't matter for like 6 years.

They get 90% of their funding from private donations, corporate partnerships and investments. The DeVos DoED is only proposing to cut 4% from the amount we currently give them, which is 4% of 10%, or 0.4% total.

The federal government has no business funding that program at all, much less to the tune of $millions. It in no way serves the national interest of the citizenry re: securing, defending and protecting the rights of the States and the People. But it isn't alone in that distinction, as roughly 75% of what the government does spend is on things that in no way serves the national interests of the citizens.

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Old 03-29-2019, 08:04 AM
 
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Were the cuts to Autism programs dropped as well?
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Old 03-29-2019, 08:05 AM
 
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My concern with a Trump administration has always been the incompetence of the President and those he has given responsibility to.

I think the whole Special Olympic funding is a perfect example of this.

DeVos in a public hearing, presents her budget with cuts to the Special Olympics Program. For two full days in hearings this is front and center and questioned. She defends it to a fault. How ridiculous for the govt. to fund this kind of a program. Should be private funding only....blah blah blah.Some Republican politicians do everything they can to hurl insults at the Democrats because there is opposition to these cuts.

After the President hears of the objections to this cut, she suddenly comes out and decides she's happy the cuts to this program are not going to happen. She never wanted them anyways.

The President in announcing the cuts won't happen to this program, says he didn't even know about it until that morning. (Yesterday morning -- following the two days of hearings and it dominating the news cycle).

Let's break this down.

Any dept. should present to the President's office a summary of their budget highlighting cuts, additions, major expenditures, etc. There should be an awareness of issues that may be sensitive for the public -- i.e. Special Olympics, autism programs, etc. The President's office should approve the presented budget and THEN the department presents it to the public.

In this case, the implication is DeVos presented a budget she didn't support, that wasn't supported by the President. Well then who the heck is doing the budgets? Who is in charge at the White House.

And where was the President -- who tweeted about ratings of radio shows, and talk shows and tv hosts but yet he had no clue about these cuts. He claims yesterday morning was the first he heard about it.

That could be true -- it is the first he heard of it -- but the fact he admits it as if it is perfectly normal for a President not to know about a budget being presented is unnerving. He is the President. He doesn't have to be prepare or present the department budgets but he better make sure he knows what is going on with each dept. And it isn't up to his staff to beg him to be informed. It should be what HE wants.

It's chaotic.

One of the biggest problems with the federal govt is the budget and the spending in all departments. It is clear Trump has not taken interest in the budget. except for the wall.

There's more to the federal govt. than a wall.
That thing will be gone soon & our country can regain its respect again.
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Old 03-29-2019, 08:13 AM
 
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Not incompetence on the part of the administration, but rather incompetence on the part of gullible who buy the misleading headline and underlying assumption without fact checking it.

The "cut" amounts to 0.4% of Special Olympic funding. Given their current banked surplus of over $65 million, the current cut as proposed wouldn't even matter for about 75 years. If the government yanked exactly all of their funding to Special Olympics, it wouldn't matter for like 6 years.

They get 90% of their funding from private donations, corporate partnerships and investments. The DeVos DoED is only proposing to cut 4% from the amount we currently give them, which is 4% of 10%, or 0.4% total.

The federal government has no business funding that program at all, much less to the tune of $millions. It in no way serves the national interest of the citizenry re: securing, defending and protecting the rights of the States and the People. But it isn't alone in that distinction, as roughly 75% of what the government does spend is on things that in no way serves the national interests of the citizens.
There was no misleading headline. The small amt. of the budget was pointed out numerous times in headlines. You maybe missed that part. It was clear it is an insignificant part of the whole budget AND part of DeVos' defense.

But your arguments aren't responding to my comments. You are debating whether or not the cuts should be made.

That's not my point -- I never address that in my OP. That is a valid debate but that's not my concern.

My concern is the way the whole issue was handled.

If you are to believe the President - he knew nothing of this cut until yesterday morning. . We found out early Tuesday about the cuts to the Special Olympics. It was front and center for news all day Tuesday and Wednesday. Trump claims he knew nothing about it until yesterday morning? How can that happen. The story was front & center. We know he was checking in with the political pundit shows --- how did he miss this.

Devos claims she never wanted that item in the budget cuts in the first place....then why did she present the budget with those cuts in it.

Who is doing the budgets, why was DeVos fighting to the death for the cut until the President said no way and then she says she didn't want it anyways. Who is running the budgets over there?


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Old 03-29-2019, 08:14 AM
 
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There was no misleading headline. The small amt. of the budget was pointed out numerous times in headlines. You maybe missed that part. It was clear it is an insignificant part of the whole budget AND part of DeVos' defense.

But your arguments aren't responding to my comments. You are debating whether or not the cuts should be made.

That's not my point -- I never address that in my OP. That is a valid debate but that's not my concern.

My concern is the way the whole issue was handled.

If you are to believe the President - he knew nothing of this cut until yesterday morning. . We found out early Tuesday about the cuts to the Special Olympics. It was front and center for news all day Tuesday and Wednesday. Trump claims he knew nothing about it until yesterday morning? How can that happen. The story was front & center. We know he was checking in with the political pundit shows --- how did he miss this.

Devos claims she never wanted that item in the budget cuts in the first place....then why did she present the budget with those cuts in it.

Who is doing the budgets, why was DeVos fighting to the death for the cut until the President said no way and then she says she didn't want it anyways. Who is running the budgets over there?

The answer is simple....as with everything else, trump lied. trump lies hourly. Period.
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Old 03-29-2019, 08:20 AM
 
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For those that want to debate budget cuts or expenditures -- you might want to create another thread. This isn't about line items in a budget.

This is about the process of coming up with a budget, standing by the budget.

You have to ask yourself who in The White House decided cutting the Special Olympics budget would be a good fit for this administration.

It is clear it isn't. The President and DeVos wasted no time or energy flipping on keeping it in the budget, which shows you how much they didn't think this through.

Don't you want a federal government that is putting some thought in to what they are doing.
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Old 03-29-2019, 08:20 AM
 
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That thing will be gone soon & our country can regain its respect again.
The problem is that though he will be gone his supporters will remain. What if they and the Russians back a competent person next time?
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Old 03-29-2019, 08:22 AM
 
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This was likely meant as a rallying cry for Trump's base and a distraction for the rest of us.
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Old 03-29-2019, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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For those that want to debate budget cuts or expenditures -- you might want to create another thread. This isn't about line items in a budget.

This is about the process of coming up with a budget, standing by the budget.

You have to ask yourself who in The White House decided cutting the Special Olympics budget would be a good fit for this administration.

It is clear it isn't. The President and DeVos wasted no time or energy flipping on keeping it in the budget, which shows you how much they didn't think this through.

Don't you want a federal government that is putting some thought in to what they are doing.
for one, why the hell is the federal government funding stuff like this? Secondly, we have nearly $23 trillion in unfunded liability. We MUST start making cuts to EVERYTHING!
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