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This web page gives a bit more balanced definition of socialism: vittana.org/11-socialism-pros-and-cons-list. It does a similar thing for democracy, net neutrality, capitalism, communism, and many other sociopolitical terms. Sure, many of these articles are written by the biases of their authors.
jojajn, if Norway was at least half the size of the Lower 48 (in both population and land area), then you chart there might carry even more weight.
Maybe the Bill Gates, Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos, and the other .com Progressive Billionaires will pay for it
Until it's a possibility for someone to pay for their cancer treatment without surrendering the retirement plans, I'll support the people who are siphoning the most out of the system funding the correction and shortfall.
But that's not what the graphic you provided in Post No. 59 says.
It says that even in the worst case reviewed, more than 95% of the workers are making more than the federal minimum wage. It doesn't say anything at all about federal aid to red states, blue states or fuchsia states.
Even when nudged in the right direction, you still managed to trip and fall off the ledge of reasoning and logic into the abyss of envy and emotionalism.
Your fellow citizens already are unless they're walking to school using something other than public sidewalks, school buses or attending publicly funded schools or visiting the public library, partaking of sports while playing on the public playgrounds or....reading text books written about publicly funded research and published by public grants or even drinking their morning orange juice that was in some part derived through taxpayer subsidies.
Everything your child, or you for that matter for decades before, touches in your daily lives was in some way invented, influenced, improved, manufactured, marketed, transported, retailed through the assistance of government money somewhere in that daisy chain.
To pretend otherwise is just fooling yourself ……..and nobody else.
For too long now we in the United States have allowed Fox News and other "conservative" organizations to redefine the word socialism to suit their agenda.
Well, Bill Maher in his March 29 2019 broadcast lists eight of the happiest countries on Earth based on a UN study:
Iceland.
Norway. ...
Finland. ...
Canada. ...
The Netherlands. ...
New Zealand. ...
Australia. Australia is the sixth largest country in the world by area. ...
Sweden.
Bill Maher sums it up by concluding that those countries have a social safety net robust enough to save them in the event of personal disaster. What is really true is that these people have peace of mind.
Capitalism is the best of the three economic systems. It motivates. It also rewards initiative, but on the minus side Capitalism can't treat people like machines that can be dis-guarded when they break down.
What these countries share in common as they all work their arses off.
No free bee cheese lines, jars of peanut butter or cans of condensed milk.
You work. You eat. You live.
Except that this oversimplified goody-two-shoes approach ignores the point that ever since the development of the modern nation state (c.1500 CE), rivalry for the most prominent position has become an inescapable fact of socioeconomic intercourse. The greatest positive from all this is that "free"(?) competition among the various "tested" democracies seems to be displacing military action as the means to settle the differences between them. And all of the eight nations listed in Mr. afd's original post are "tested" (100 years or more of the transfer of power exclusively by peaceful means) societies which meet this criterion. What's more, all of them have reasonably free and open economies.
If the United States can't quite measure up to Norway's contented idyll, it might be because the past century has also given rise to some of the most vicious butcher-states in history none of them have been "regulated" primarily by an open economy (socialism plus, perhaps?)
The ambitions of all of those rogue-states were thwarted, primarily by the presence of a global policeman, a role assumed first by Great Britain which, weakened by two global wars and too much socialism, abdicated in favor of her North American cousins/offspring. Recent police actions, primarily in the Middle East, have provided the best evidence, to date, that some of the democracies are taking the first steps toward identifying and suppressing international criminality. But I wouldn't look to the United Nations -- a spineless debating society infatuated with socialism -- as capable of providing much help.
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Until it's a possibility for someone to pay for their cancer treatment without surrendering the retirement plans, I'll support the people who are siphoning the most out of the system funding the correction and shortfall.
responsible people buy health insurance that cover catastrophic health problems.
But that's not what the graphic you provided in Post No. 59 says.
It says that even in the worst case reviewed, more than 95% of the workers are making more than the federal minimum wage. It doesn't say anything at all about federal aid to red states, blue states or fuchsia states.
Even when nudged in the right direction, you still managed to trip and fall off the ledge of reasoning and logic into the abyss of envy and emotionalism.
Nope, it is a documented fact that republican states siphon the most in federal funding. Look it up. The logic is big talking republicans are already socialist, more so than the democratic states.
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The term "welfare" is especially unpopular in red states that vote Republican and support Trump. But when you think broadly about all forms of government assistance, these same red states are often the biggest beneficiaries.
If you include price supports for agriculture, subsidies for land management and forestry, and federal money flowing to defense contractors, you'll find that the economies of red states depend heavily on federal dollars.
But that's not even the biggest irony. It turns out residents of blue states send more tax money to Washington than they get back in federal help, while residents of red states send less money to Washington than they get back in federal help.
Nope, it is a documented fact that republican states siphon the most in federal funding. Look it up. The logic is big talking republicans are already socialist, more so than the democratic states.
Although the point has yet to be proven (or the issue thoroughly examined), it's my belief that the presence of a disproportionate share of Federal facilities, in the from of military bases, native reservations, etc, in "red" states has a lot to do with this.
Conversely, the concentration of highly profitable, clean and stable economic activity such as finance and insurance (which probably also puts less strain on the societal "safety net") within "blue" enclaves would accentuate this disparity.
Speaking as a reasonably-enlightened primarily-economically-oriented conservative, I raise no objection to the presence of a "safety net" per se; my objections are to the unwillingness of the "progressives" to allow policing at a more local level where abuses are easier to detect and discourage; that, and the apparent strategy of some of the "bi-coastal" Leftist elite to flood the nation with burnt-out Snowflakes illegal aliens -- threatening public safety, straining the "safety net", and apparently wiling to breed the responsible former majority into minority status, just as is currently practiced by militant Islamists in Israel and Western Europe.
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