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It is important to remember the difference between correlation and causation. Right now CO2 levels are high and it is thought that because they are high they are causing global warming. That may or may not be true that it causes the warming.
Other scientists have postulated that methane is the cause of the warming. Not burnt methane, but plain old methane is causing the warming. So the question is if we burn the methane do you reduce risk of warming?
We also forget about the deforestation of the planet, particularly the Amazon. That itself could be causing the rise in CO2 levels.
Theories change over time as more knowledge becomes available. We laugh at the theories of the earth is flat and the sun revolves around the earth now. But guess what? At that time, the leading scientists were the ones proclaiming those theories to be true!
Would the earth be better with less air pollution? Of course. Gas powered cars currently produce less emissions than lawn mowers. The concern is in the rush to switch over to battery powered everything, what do we do with the batteries? Placing them in the landfill will leach toxic heavy metals into our drinking water. Wouldn't poisioning our water supply be just as if not more threatening to our survival as global warming?
Anytime a mob of people clamor we only have x amount of time to do something, you should be fearful that thinks are being forced too quickly. Should people conserve energy? Yes. Pollute less? Yes. Just let's not make an even worse problem than the one we are trying to fix.
Well stated, and it is nice to see some common sense utilized on this forum.
I respect your honesty. You post truly boils down what denialism really is. The denialist war against the science is only so much red herrings, it really is all about "I don't care-ism".
I guess the analogy is like being a passenger on a speeding train headed over the cliff. Rather than help stop the train because the party is so good, you party on because by the time the train goes over the cliff you'll have passed on. As for the other passengers, well too bad.
This is a religious discussion.
If I don't believe the gods of science and your fanaticism, then I am contributing to death and a natural hell.
Everybody also knows that China has a much larger population than the USA, but not everybody knows that per person the US citizen emits 2.35 times as much CO2 than a person in China does.
As I heard one person explain it, the Earth is like an Oven. You set an oven the temperature to 200 degrees it continues to warm until the desired temperature is reached. The earth is warming and when it reaches that new equilibrium temperature the piper will be paid.
Even now the consequences are just beginning to be felt and are harbingers of what is to come..
Unfortunately, we have deniers that are nothing more than dead weight keeping nations from taking needed action.
the last interglacial period ended nearly 3 million years ago (2.6 million years ago to be more precise), with the start of the Quatemary ice age (the most recent, and current major ice age). The earth is currently in an interglacial (within an ice age), and the last glacial period ended about 16000 years ago...next Ice age due about 60,000+ years from now
Everybody also knows that China has a much larger population than the USA, but not everybody knows that per person the US citizen emits 2.35 times as much CO2 than a person in China does.
USA.... 15.53 metric tons per person.
China... 6.59 metric tons per person.
In the end, who puts out more? And I'm talking overall, not per person....
In the end, who puts out more? And I'm talking overall, not per person....
China emits more total CO2 and we still have a higher GDP so our carbon footprint to GDP ratio is superior to China's. Still we and China need to reduce our carbon footprint, the problem is that currently we are and China isn't.
Everybody also knows that China has a much larger population than the USA, but not everybody knows that per person the US citizen emits 2.35 times as much CO2 than a person in China does.
USA.... 15.53 metric tons per person.
China... 6.59 metric tons per person.
And the GHG volume doesn't care about per capita statistics, just total volume, where China is roughly 2x total CO2 output than the US, and more than the output of China + US in 2000, and their rate is increasing.
The US has plateaued and actually decreased a bit over that same time. Point is, WE ARE DOING SOMETHING, and our results are being entirely negated by China, India and every other country to whom the UN/IPCC and global narrative give a free pass.
Seriously, have you seen the "pledges" made by the signatories to the absurdity that is the Paris Agreement? It's all vague maybe's, possibly's, revisit_at_some_point's nonsense. Nothing is binding, nothing is monitored, just a bunch of empty virtue signaling fluff.
the last interglacial period ended nearly 3 million years ago (2.6 million years ago to be more precise), with the start of the Quatemary ice age (the most recent, and current major ice age). The earth is currently in an interglacial (within an ice age), and the last glacial period ended about 16000 years ago...next Ice age due about 60,000+ years from now
co2 FOLLOWS the warming
Do you know why there is a lag between the CO2 increase and warming?
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