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View Poll Results: Do you consider healthcare as a right for every citizen a far left position?
Yes, this is far left and extremism 114 42.07%
No, healthcare should be a right, not a privilege 157 57.93%
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Old 04-06-2019, 11:32 PM
 
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So slavery is justified if it makes economic sense? Got it.
Ooo, scary words. You got me now!
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Old 04-06-2019, 11:33 PM
 
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So slavery is justified if it makes economic sense? Got it.
Slavery?

I know you're trying to make an extreme statement to make some sort of philosophical point - but it would work similar to how education works.

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Old 04-06-2019, 11:35 PM
 
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If health care is available, I consider it a right to have it accessible. If someone is living on a desert island, no health care. But if it's available, it's only fair and equal to have it available for all, not just a select few. Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness--Life is often dependent upon health care.
This is an interesting interpretation. Thanks for sharing.
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Old 04-06-2019, 11:42 PM
 
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Slavery?

I know you're trying to make an extreme statement to make some point - but it would work similar to how education works.
you have the right to seek healthcare in the market, you do not have the right to make someone else provide it for you.
Positive rights impose an obligation on others to provide that something for you. Replace the term healthcare with cotton if you're having trouble understanding.
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Old 04-06-2019, 11:44 PM
 
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you have the right to seek healthcare in the market, you do not have the right to make someone else provide it for you.
Positive rights impose an obligation on others to provide that something for you. Replace the term healthcare with cotton if you're having trouble understanding.
As I said, it would obviously work in practice as education works.

Last I checked, we don't think of teachers as slaves. I'm not sure why you would think of doctors as slaves.
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Old 04-06-2019, 11:49 PM
 
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As I said, it would obviously work in practice as education works.

Last I checked, we don't think of teachers as slaves. I'm not sure why you would think of doctors as slaves.
This is interesting. So medical school debt ranges from $200k to $500k depending on whether you study a specialty and other factors. Since teachers get loan forgiveness when working in low income areas, how would you structure the loan forgiveness for doctors, considering that there are higher medical needs in low income areas.
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Old 04-06-2019, 11:50 PM
 
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As I said, it would obviously work in practice as education works.

Last I checked, we don't think of teachers as slaves. I'm not sure why you would think of doctors as slaves.
What would work like education?
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Old 04-06-2019, 11:50 PM
 
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you have the right to seek healthcare in the market, you do not have the right to make someone else provide it for you.
Positive rights impose an obligation on others to provide that something for you. Replace the term healthcare with cotton if you're having trouble understanding.
It's mathematically impossible for insurance to exist unless you buy into the idea of paying for other peoples healthcare. Insofar as you are forcing everyone to be a participant in the market, you've literally created the same coercive structure as the state using different diction. Congrats.
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Old 04-06-2019, 11:51 PM
 
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This is interesting. So medical school debt ranges from $200k to $500k depending on whether you study a specialty and other factors. Since teachers get loan forgiveness when working in low income areas, how would you structure the loan forgiveness for doctors, considering that there are higher medical needs in low income areas.
Doctors and nurse practitioners do get loan forgiveness to practice in areas that are deemed underserved.
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Old 04-06-2019, 11:53 PM
 
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It's mathematically impossible for insurance to exist unless you buy into the idea of paying for other peoples healthcare. Insofar as you are forcing everyone to be a participant in the market, you've literally created the same coercive structure as the state using different diction. Congrats.
Participation in private insurance is voluntary. Can one opt out of a govt scheme?
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