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View Poll Results: Do you consider healthcare as a right for every citizen a far left position?
Yes, this is far left and extremism 114 42.07%
No, healthcare should be a right, not a privilege 157 57.93%
Voters: 271. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-08-2019, 09:38 AM
 
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That's bollox, you could always try asking somebody who actually lives in the UK about their actual real experience concerning the NHS? I know how about asking me!! I AM the horses mouth. I can tell you now the NHS has saved me for sure, you tell me - what 'system' is better for me and my Mrs 1) a system where she gets free x-rays, CT scans, heart checks, physio, councilling etc or 2) a system that wouldn't give us these things because it would cost us too much money.
the fundamental problem with your post here is the difference between a study that considers all and the antidotal evidence of a single person.


I am sure outcomes for those with critical care issues are very good in Brittan. I am also sure that if you have mild illness that requires a single trip to a primary care doctor the feeling is equally positive.


it is that in the middle place that is concerning. when it isn't an emergency and it isn't a one and done affair. All the sudden there are waits and rationing. That is the problem.


I am not pointing that out to suggest that the system you are in and like is bad. or that its good either.


but it is a heck of a lot more complicated than "rights" and "hey this is great".
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Old 04-08-2019, 09:38 AM
 
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Are you, or are you not, against tax funded public schools and police services? Its a simple question.
Yes I am.
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Old 04-08-2019, 09:42 AM
 
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Wait times are longer in average, but far fewer people don't get treatment at all. Not getting treated at all until its so bad you have to show up at emergency room is a much worse case of unmet needs.
And is far more expensive.
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Old 04-08-2019, 09:43 AM
 
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I would like to know the following:

1. Who exactly living in the United States does not have health insurance?

2. Why don't they have it?

This needs to be the starting point of any discussion about National healthcare.
I would argue that the real starting point ought to be
1. Why do we have insurance for basic healthcare.
2. why do we talk about access to medical care in terms of insurance instead of access?
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Old 04-08-2019, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley, CA
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Geez, I didn't know the United Kingdom (with the Conservative Party in power) having the NHS is a "far-left" country.
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Old 04-08-2019, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Taxes aren't bills.

A bill lists how much you owe for goods and services you used/bought/made use of, where a tax demand from the government is a forced claim on your labor under threat of violence.

Calling a tax demand a bill is like being robbed and calling all the stuff that was stolen "goods donated to unofficial charities."
What if your robber wears a badge though?

Surely that detail makes the caper morally and logically legitimate.
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Old 04-08-2019, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Berwick, Penna.
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That's fine I'm sure that his parents are providing a service to society by not helping their son with his home schooling. Kids like him might turn out to be the solution to the dilemma of not being able to find citizens who are willing to pick strawberries and avocados
Who said they're not helping? They're just not encouraging him to be indoctrinated with socialistic nonsense.

Once again, you're the one projecting too much into this -- and it's only because your dogma is being consigned to the trash heap where it belongs.
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Old 04-08-2019, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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You pay for a lot of Constitutional rights provided by the government via taxpayers. So your statement is false.



So I take it you have no problem with a poll tax then?
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Old 04-08-2019, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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There is no supposed "social contract" when 45% of all US 1040 filers pay no federal income tax whatsoever. There are just tax slaves and takers.



Many will argue that these people pay sales taxes etc....

But if the taxes that they do pay are funded by the welfare they get that comes from the taxes that I pay......

Then they aren't really paying the sales taxes etc......


I am.
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Old 04-08-2019, 10:19 AM
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Why is there a Federal Law mandating that hospitals and staff must treat anyone who comes into an emergency room, if medical care is not deemed a right guaranteed by the Federal Government?
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