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View Poll Results: Do you consider healthcare as a right for every citizen a far left position?
Yes, this is far left and extremism 114 42.07%
No, healthcare should be a right, not a privilege 157 57.93%
Voters: 271. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-07-2019, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Positive rights - “I have a right to have X provided for me”
Passive rights - “I have the right to be left alone, as long as I leave others alone”

I agree with what they said, but I’m more than just skeptical of positive rights. I’m vehemently against them, because you necessarily violate the passive rights of others.
Good summation.

Did you learn it in government schools?

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Old 04-07-2019, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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I just picture a situation where a couple of people are on an island and one says “I have a human right to affordable healthcare”. The other person would look at them like they were crazy.

Adding more people to the scenario doesn’t change the fact that the person is claiming a right to other people’s labor and resources. It really is an entitled first world mentality.
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Old 04-07-2019, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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Good summation.

Did you learn it in government schools?

Come to think of it, I didn’t... how is this possible?
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Old 04-07-2019, 09:19 AM
 
Location: Living rent free in your head
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Positive rights - “I have a right to have X provided for me”
Passive rights - “I have the right to be left alone, as long as I leave others alone”

I agree with what they said, but I’m more than just skeptical of positive rights. I’m vehemently against them, because you necessarily violate the passive rights of others.
So you don't believe in taxes at all? Because all forms of taxation end up yielding benefits to some people but not usually all people
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Old 04-07-2019, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Madison, WI
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So you don't believe in taxes at all? Because all forms of taxation end up yielding benefits to some people but not usually all people
Nope. What I will say is that everyone who wants that type of system should be free to make it happen, as long as those who don’t like the idea aren’t forced into it. Maybe it’ll be successful and more people will join by choice.
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Old 04-07-2019, 09:26 AM
 
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Nope. What I will say is that everyone who wants that type of system should be free to make it happen, as long as people who don’t like the idea aren’t forced into it. Maybe it’ll be successful and more people will join by choice.
I would agree, if those opting out are not forced to even pay for part of it.

I do think those voting yes here should be free to count their votes, divide the cost by those votes, with just those voting yes contributing to their scheme.
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Old 04-07-2019, 09:31 AM
 
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No. You could always buy a catastrophic plan to avoid that. And if you're really poor, you get Medicaid.

Isnt that the same as taking money from others?
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Old 04-07-2019, 09:31 AM
 
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Nope. What I will say is that everyone who wants that type of system should be free to make it happen, as long as those who don’t like the idea aren’t forced into it. Maybe it’ll be successful and more people will join by choice.
What about taxes that go toward road repair? Why should I have to pay to patch potholes in front of your house that I will most likely never see let alone damage my car by driving over it. Can I opt out? How about taxes for schools, my kids are grown why should pay for someone else's kids to go to school?
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Old 04-07-2019, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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What about taxes that go toward road repair? Why should I have to pay to patch potholes in front of your house that I will most likely never see let alone damage my car by driving over it. Can I opt out? How about taxes for schools, my kids are grown why should pay for someone else's kids to go to school?
Private roads. Private schools.
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Old 04-07-2019, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I would agree, if those opting out are not forced to even pay for part of it.

I do think those voting yes here should be free to count their votes, divide the cost by those votes, with just those voting yes contributing to their scheme.
There should be no "opting out". You can either opt in or remain free from obligation.

You don't get expelled from a birthing canal into something automatically.

Well, at least that's what us sane folks understand.

#SocialContractIsAsRealAsEasterBunny
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