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View Poll Results: Do you support Right-to-Work?
Yes 64 56.14%
No 50 43.86%
Voters: 114. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-10-2019, 06:44 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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Right to work really means no rights at all in the workplace. Let's say your employer is making you work in unsafe conditions, or they ask you to break laws for their financial gain. What do you think happens when you speak up? You're fired. I've been in that situation. It's also no coincidence that worker pay is on average far lower in right to work states.
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Old 04-10-2019, 06:46 AM
 
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Right to work really means no rights at all in the workplace. Let's say your employer is making you work in unsafe conditions. or they ask you to break laws for their financial gain. What do you think happens when you speak up? You're fired. I've been in that situation. It's also no coincidence that worker pay is on average far lower in right to work states.
You have right to ask for safety improvements, quit or not take a dangerous job in the first place. You do not have a right to a job or someone elses money. No laws needed.
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Old 04-10-2019, 06:47 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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You have right to ask for safety improvements, quit or not take a dangerous job in the first place. You do not have a right to a job or someone elses money. No laws needed.
Actually there are laws about workplace safety and my employer was violating them. What you believe we have a right to in the workplace is merely your own extremist opinion. The law is clear. If a business owner doesn't want to follow laws, provide reasonably compensation, etc., they're free not to employ anyone and to do the work themselves.
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Old 04-10-2019, 06:51 AM
 
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Actually there are laws about workplace safety and my employer was violating them. What you believe we have a right to in the workplace is merely your own extremist opinion. The law is clear. If a business owner doesn't want to follow laws, provide reasonably compensation, etc., they're free not to employ anyone and to do the work themselves.
Eh, sour grapes,sounds like you weren't really a valued employee.
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Old 04-10-2019, 07:00 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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Eh, sour grapes,sounds like you weren't really a valued employee.
My employer was a private forestry firm that wanted me to help them steal thousands of dollars worth of timber from abutting properties. That is a serious felony. I hope they didn't value me because I don't want to be valued by a thief.
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Old 04-10-2019, 08:11 AM
 
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didn't read the link did you? Good example of what happens when you "trust" a corporation to "do the right thing" for its employees...……..
How would I know it happened in India if I didn't read it?
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Old 04-10-2019, 08:14 AM
 
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equal footing? probably not... A company will survive without a CEO...……...A dedicated sufficient work force...……….probably not...…...
that's for the owners to decide....the inmates don't get to run the asylum
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Old 04-10-2019, 08:16 AM
 
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Unions are leeches - only operate by sucking other ppl's money (usually by force). If they were so wonderful, there'd be a line out the door to join!

I've always wondered, if unions are so good at 'running businesses' - why don't they open and operate a few of their own?

Unions could 'get a clue' and offer more association benefits, but they don't have to 'compete' for membership (and so that does not compute -- pre-Janus) so they don't - and I don't want to give them any help (ie, clues).

Maybe they'll rise to the occasion one day. Until then, bye-bye!
Exactly someone else takes all the risk of starting a business and then the union wants to come in and run things. that's not the way it should work. If a company wants to let its labor force unionize, that is fine by me. But they shouldn't be forced by law to deal with a union.
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Old 04-10-2019, 08:21 AM
 
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No. Govt should be entirely out of both sides of the employment picture.
If a co. wishes to voluntarily respect a closed shop or any union contract its up to them. On the flipside, no company should be forced to bargain with a union against its wishes.
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All associations should be voluntary and free from any form of coercion. Employers and employees are simply parties in a voluntary association we call "job." Let every employer and employee be free to associate if they wish and under whatever terms they find mutually acceptable.
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Old 04-10-2019, 08:30 AM
 
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Exactly someone else takes all the risk of starting a business and then the union wants to come in and run things. that's not the way it should work. If a company wants to let its labor force unionize, that is fine by me. But they shouldn't be forced by law to deal with a union.
If they needed employees to make the business successful, then they sure didn't do everything themselves and are not entitled to treat their employees like slaves.
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