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I guess we have the response: "But I don't like these facts."
It's seriously pathetic, isn't it?
If you show them crime is going down in a place they don't think it should be going down in, they'll either tell you:
1. The stats are being manipulated. This is stupid because even if they were, why were they not manipulated in the years when the numbers were higher? Even if they were manipulated down by 20% every year since the beginning of time, they'd STILL being going down. Or:
2. These are only REPORTED crimes. This is stupid, too, because it assumes people didn't not report crimes back in days of yore, which is a ridiculous notion, because there is an abundance of evidence lots of crimes didn't get reported in the 80's, 70's, 60's, etc. Furthermore, if we focus only on murders, how can those not be reported? If there's a dead body with bullet holes in it somewhere, eventually somebody is going to report it.
People who are coming up with these excuses are simply desperate to explain away things they don't believe should be happening. It's pretty sad.
Crime has fallen significantly in most urban areas over the past 20-30 years. The only people that don't know how to spot trends are fear mongers on the right who want to make people afraid of their own shadow.
It's fairly obvious this a parody thread of the ridiculous threads posted here daily by conservatives.
1. I have several of the far righties on ignore so that's your problem if they post garbage, not mine.
In fact, I just put one on ignore 2-3 days ago for starting a garbage thread about mars and global warming.
2. Statistical abuse or misuse is rampant on this forum, if someone wants to say "P.S. I'm intentionally being obtuse to make a point" then I'll be sure to not offer any sort of rebuttal....otherwise again sorry but no free pass for innumeracy.
I guess we have the response: "But I don't like these facts."
Prove that these are actual facts. There are a number of factors at play here. Same as like in EPA. 35 years ago the murder capital of the bay area was in EPA. Now hardly anyone gets murdered there. There are two reasons for that. 1) Most, if not all the thugs got pushed out because of the booming silicon valley since the late 90's and are now living/committing crimes elsewhere like in places around Sacramento where they can afford rent. 2) the local government and media doesn't report it. Note: That's why in San Francisco the police do not press certain charges against certain people who commit lot of crimes. If law enforcement is ordered or prevented by the local government not to pursue / press charges, there is then no documentation in support of the actual crime numbers. This is primarily why they don't pursue / press charges against specific groups of people committing specific types of crimes in specific geographical locations. They are keeping that information from being documented, thus projecting a false sense of safety and wellbeing.
If you show them crime is going down in a place they don't think it should be going down in, they'll either tell you:
1. The stats are being manipulated. This is stupid because even if they were, why were they not manipulated in the years when the numbers were higher? Even if they were manipulated down by 20% every year since the beginning of time, they'd STILL being going down. Or:
2. These are only REPORTED crimes. This is stupid, too, because it assumes people didn't not report crimes back in days of yore, which is a ridiculous notion, because there is an abundance of evidence lots of crimes didn't get reported in the 80's, 70's, 60's, etc. Furthermore, if we focus only on murders, how can those not be reported? If there's a dead body with bullet holes in it somewhere, eventually somebody is going to report it.
People who are coming up with these excuses are simply desperate to explain away things they don't believe should be happening. It's pretty sad.
I would note that the "seriously pathetic" guy actually did source his claim.
That would then put the honus on you to prove that it's always been going on.
If you think the stats are less accurate now than they were last year, or 20 years ago, PROVE IT. Otherwise, the only thing we can assume is that these stats have about the same accuracy as they did last year, and 20 years ago.
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Originally Posted by James Bond 007
Much is made on this forum what a supposed hellhole Los Angeles is.
But at the rate things are going there, LA might catch up to NYC in having low crime rates for such a big city.
Year to date:
- Murder down -24.6% from both last year and 2017, over the same time period
- Total Rape down -40.4% from last year and -42.5% from 2017, over the same time period
- Robbery down -7.1% from last year and -4.8% from 2017, over the same time period
- Aggravated assault down -1.0% from last year and -0.7% from 2017, over the same time period
Total property crime is down -8.1% from last year and -10.8% from 2017, over the same time period.
It's still early in the year, but the trend is good.
California’s Proposition 47 downgraded a variety of “non-serious, nonviolent crimes” that had previously been considered felonies to misdemeanors. These include shoplifting, grand theft, receiving stolen property, forgery, fraud, and writing bad checks. As long as the total value of the stolen property is under $950, only a ghost of an offense has occurred. A thief may now steal something under that limit on a daily basis and it will never rise to felony status.
In the event that a perpetrator is pursued and apprehended, the consequence can be a small fine or a brief stay in jail, In reality, these repercussions are rare. In addition, DNA samples aren’t collected from misdemeanor offenders. Thus the DNA database has shrunk, making it more difficult for law-enforcement agencies to solve cold cases, including those involving rape and murder.
Crime has fallen significantly in most urban areas over the past 20-30 years. The only people that don't know how to spot trends are fear mongers on the right who want to make people afraid of their own shadow.
It's fairly obvious this a parody thread of the ridiculous threads posted here daily by conservatives.
As a side note, I'm acutely aware that people have targeted parts of the country and have a strong bias driven by politics. (I used to live in Chicago and Kansas and they get it from either side of the partisan spectrum). California is obviously the recipient of the same bias.
I do note with at least some degree of humor that the OP themselves is not immune to having that same bias. Like the old saying goes, "we are least tolerant of the sins we commit"
California’s Proposition 47 downgraded a variety of “non-serious, nonviolent crimes” that had previously been considered felonies to misdemeanors. These include shoplifting, grand theft, receiving stolen property, forgery, fraud, and writing bad checks. As long as the total value of the stolen property is under $950, only a ghost of an offense has occurred. A thief may now steal something under that limit on a daily basis and it will never rise to felony status...
I know it's asking a lot of some people here, but it helps if you actually READ the provided information:
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Originally Posted by James Bond 007
Much is made on this forum what a supposed hellhole Los Angeles is.
But at the rate things are going there, LA might catch up to NYC in having low crime rates for such a big city.
Year to date:
- Murder down -24.6% from both last year and 2017, over the same time period
- Total Rape down -40.4% from last year and -42.5% from 2017, over the same time period
- Robbery down -7.1% from last year and -4.8% from 2017, over the same time period
- Aggravated assault down -1.0% from last year and -0.7% from 2017, over the same time period
Total property crime is down -8.1% from last year and -10.8% from 2017, over the same time period.
It's still early in the year, but the trend is good.
We're just a bunch of deplorables! Keep calling us names and see how it works out in 2020...
If there is anyone to whom reading definitions and looking at numbers is over their head, then yes, they deserve to be called deplorable.
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