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Old 04-15-2019, 08:21 AM
 
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Its not Barr's job to 'think' some crime may have been committed. His job is to Represent the United States in legal matters. Not speculate on or try to hide crimes that may make his boss look bad.

It has become apparent Barr is another Trump 'yes man' and not a protector of the United States or its constitution.

Trump is trying to consolidate his power grab by crippling the judicial and legislative branches at every opportunity.
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Old 04-15-2019, 08:29 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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A perfect example of ignoring Barr's retraction, you just heard what you want to hear.
Mike Rogers, former head of the NSA is your Huckleberry!
Remember this...
https://www.npr.org/2016/11/22/50298...on-his-way-out


They were spying on everything Trump, well before they applied for FISA warrants on Carter Page... Was Page indicted? Why wasn't Page indicted? They had enough crime on him to get a warrant... They swore to it.
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Old 04-15-2019, 08:30 AM
 
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A perfect example of ignoring Barr's retraction, you just heard what you want to hear.
What was the retraction? I haven't been following the issue in close detail, I did see the clip where Barr was addressing Senator Shaheen and said that spying did occur, but he wanted to find out if it was properly predicated.
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Old 04-15-2019, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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What was the retraction? I haven't been following the issue in close detail, I did see the clip where Barr was addressing Senator Shaheen and said that spying did occur, but he wanted to find out if it was properly predicated.



This was his statement at the end of the hearing, also he changed his terminology from spying to the fact that he wanted to make sure there was no unauthorized surveillance when questions by Sen Schatz.


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“I am not saying improper surveillance occurred. I am saying I am concerned about it, and I am looking into it,”

A step backward from his early statement that spying on a campaign is a terrible thing and that he thought there actually was spying.
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Old 04-15-2019, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Stephan Halper and Alex Downer, along with Misut, where not Russians. They were CIA/5eyes operatives(spies)
My question is, how do you not know? LOL!


I know you have been instructed not to pay attention to the Devin Nunes Memo.... It shows!
https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign...ods-procedures

Presentation of any such unverified material to the Federal Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) court to justify a wiretap would appear to violate crucial procedural rules, called “Woods Procedures,” designed to protect U.S. citizens.

Yet Comey allegedly signed three of the FISA applications on behalf of the FBI. Deputy Director Andrew McCabe reportedly signed one and former Attorney General Sally Yates, then-Acting Deputy Attorney General Dana Boente and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein each reportedly signed one or more.


In the past, when the FBI has presented inaccuracies to the FISA court, it’s been viewed so seriously that it’s drawn the attention of the Department of Justice Office of Professional Responsibility, which investigates Justice Department attorneys accused of misconduct or crimes in their professional functions.


They keep you ignorant for a reason.

Allegedly signed, reportedly signed LOL. So where did you get that information, link?

Evidently you are ignorant of the prior warrant, I guess that would upset your conspiracy.


Three Russian agents Podobnyy, Sporyshev, and Buryakov. One was convicted.
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Russian intelligence operatives tried in 2013 to recruit an American businessman and eventual foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign who is now part of the F.B.I. investigation into Russia’s interference into the American election, according to federal court documents and a statement issued by the businessman.


The businessman, Carter Page, met with one of three Russians who were eventually charged with being undeclared officers with Russia’s foreign intelligence service, known as the S.V.R. The F.B.I. interviewed Mr. Page in 2013 as part of an investigation into the spy ring, but decided that he had not known the man was a spy, and the bureau never accused Mr. Page of wrongdoing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/04/u...mp-russia.html
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Old 04-15-2019, 08:53 AM
 
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This was his statement at the end of the hearing, also he changed his terminology from spying to the fact that he wanted to make sure there was no unauthorized surveillance when questions by Sen Schatz.





A step backward from his early statement that spying on a campaign is a terrible thing and that he thought there actually was spying.
Thanks. What I'd like to know is what predicate the government has for spying on me and millions of other American citizens. A bunch of foreign nationals fly some planes into buildings in NY and DC and presto! We're all being spied on. That's their predicate? For two cents I'd shove the Patriot Act up the hindquarters of every one of those freaks in congress and let them sit on it.

Seems like to me like the folks doing the spying are the ones who desperately need spied on.
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Old 04-15-2019, 08:53 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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This was his statement at the end of the hearing, also he changed his terminology from spying to the fact that he wanted to make sure there was no unauthorized surveillance when questions by Sen Schatz.





A step backward from his early statement that spying on a campaign is a terrible thing and that he thought there actually was spying.
What would be the difference if he had said, “I am not saying improper SPYING occurred. I am saying I am concerned about it, and I am looking into it,”



What is an acronym for surveillance?
The language police, hate it when their own tactics are used against themselves....
Acronyms have been a mainstay for those willing to deceive, in lawyer talk..... Words and acronyms can raise or lower the hype.... They can create a crisis from a hangnail, or to cover up crime.
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Old 04-15-2019, 09:40 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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What would be the difference if he had said, “I am not saying improper SPYING occurred. I am saying I am concerned about it, and I am looking into it,”



What is an acronym for surveillance?
The language police, hate it when their own tactics are used against themselves....
Acronyms have been a mainstay for those willing to deceive, in lawyer talk..... Words and acronyms can raise or lower the hype.... They can create a crisis from a hangnail, or to cover up crime.
Acronym -


noun
noun: acronym; plural noun: acronyms
  1. an abbreviation formed from the initial letters of other words and pronounced as a word (e.g. ASCII, NASA ).



















As has been pointed out multiple times in this thread, by myself and others, "spying" has an undeniable negative connotation of something illicit or illegal. "Surveillance" has no such negative association.


Since he is a lawyer of considerable skill, I cannot accept the fact that AG Barr did not appreciate the impact of his word choice.
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Old 04-15-2019, 10:23 AM
 
Location: alexandria, VA
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Acronym -


noun

noun: acronym; plural noun: acronyms
  1. an abbreviation formed from the initial letters of other words and pronounced as a word (e.g. ASCII, NASA ).


















As has been pointed out multiple times in this thread, by myself and others, "spying" has an undeniable negative connotation of something illicit or illegal. "Surveillance" has no such negative association.


Since he is a lawyer of considerable skill, I cannot accept the fact that AG Barr did not appreciate the impact of his word choice.
Barr used the word Trump told him to use.
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Old 04-15-2019, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Thanks. What I'd like to know is what predicate the government has for spying on me and millions of other American citizens. A bunch of foreign nationals fly some planes into buildings in NY and DC and presto! We're all being spied on. That's their predicate? For two cents I'd shove the Patriot Act up the hindquarters of every one of those freaks in congress and let them sit on it.

Seems like to me like the folks doing the spying are the ones who desperately need spied on.
The Patriot Act certainly should be a topic for debate by congress but we do live in a different time, we certainly have acts of terror.
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