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Old 04-19-2019, 08:58 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Elliott_CA View Post
Bottom line is Trump had 100% criminal intent to fully obstruct justice and the only reason it didn't happen is because his staff refused to follow his orders.
Wrong on two counts:

1. There are no incidents where he attempted to obstruct justice. You're just saying that because you don't understand the law and what constitutes obstruction.

2. The staff refusing to follow orders is irrelevant to whether it's a crime. If it would be a crime if the staff followed the order, it's still a crime if the staff doesn't follow the order.

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Old 04-19-2019, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Somewhere in Florida
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None of it will matter though. The GOP will continue to support him, his supporters will continue to support him. Nothing at all will come of any of it, IMO.

Why would you not support a President who has had the best first two years of any President ever?


You supported Obama even though you knew he was a crook, a con man, a divider, anti American, a racist, a hidden life, a treasonous traitor etc.
 
Old 04-19-2019, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Originally Posted by hbdwihdh378y9 View Post
Wrong on two counts:

1. There are no incidents where he attempted to obstruct justice. You're just making that up because you don't understand the law and what constitutes obstruction.

2. The staff refusing to follow orders is irrelevant to whether it's a crime. If it would be a crime if the staff followed the order, it's still a crime if the staff doesn't follow the order.
Since you're citing the law and all that.. Well here it is.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/obstruction_of_justice

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Definition
18 U.S.C. § 1503 defines "obstruction of justice" as an act that "corruptly or by threats or force, or by any threatening letter or communication, influences, obstructs, or impedes, or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice."

Overview
Someone obstructs justice when that person has a specific intent to obstruct or interfere with a judicial proceeding. For a person to be convicted of obstructing justice, that person must not only have the specific intent to obstruct the proceeding, but that person must know (1) that a proceeding was actually pending at the time; and (2) there must be a connection between the endeavor to obstruct justice and the proceeding, and the person must have knowledge of this connection.

§ 1503 applies only to federal judicial proceedings. Under 18 U.S.C. § 1505, however, a defendant can be convicted of obstruction of justice by obstructing a pending proceeding before Congress or a federal administrative agency. A pending proceeding could include an informal investigation by an executive agency.
Yeah- it's 'obstruction'. Trump endeavored to impede a federal investigation.
 
Old 04-19-2019, 09:04 AM
 
Location: In The Thin Air
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None of it will matter though. The GOP will continue to support him, his supporters will continue to support him. Nothing at all will come of any of it, IMO. There will be no impeachment. Everything will rock along as it has the past two years until we come to 2020. Then Trump may very well be re-elected unless the Dems can come up with someone who can take him on and that person deals with the issues and not Trump. This horse is long dead.
And Congress will continue to get nothing done for the American people.
 
Old 04-19-2019, 09:12 AM
 
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Since you're citing the law and all that.. Well here it is.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/obstruction_of_justice

Yeah- it's 'obstruction'. Trump endeavored to impede a federal investigation.
That's not what obstruction is. You just cited a statute that contradicts you.
The obstruction has to be done corruptly or with threats of force.
 
Old 04-19-2019, 09:22 AM
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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If it would be a crime if the staff followed the order, it's still a crime if the staff doesn't follow the order.
It's a crime to "endeavor to influence, obstruct or impede an investigation", which is precisely what the moron in chief tried to do with McGahn, etc....

And you apparently agree?
 
Old 04-19-2019, 09:26 AM
 
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Wrong on two counts:




Wrong. It's a crime to "endeavor to influence, obstruct or impede an investigation", which is precisely what the moron in chief tried to do with McGahn, etc....

Apparently the republican party is a-ok with this, well since "they didn't ACTUALLY do it.."

I laugh- if any democrat in office did this they'd be screaming hopping mad, lol. Hypocrites. .
The democrats are okay with it... They explicitly said that there was no criminal wrongdoing... The Republicans said it, the attorney general... It makes you sound like you don't know anything...
 
Old 04-19-2019, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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And Congress will continue to get nothing done for the American people.
Which is a good thing. The less Congress “gets done”, the better off we are.

Congress has done enough for a while. That’s why they’re basically reduced to investigating, spying on, and suing each other. Most members of Congress are attorneys. They live for this. Besides, Senators and members of Congress are mostly millionaires ensconced in safe electoral districts, with gold-plated medical, retirement, and life insurance plans. They and their families fly wherever they wish at taxpayer expense, and enjoy personal protection from bodyguards and broad deference from the media and the general public. The real problems facing most Americans are beyond their comprehension.
 
Old 04-19-2019, 09:32 AM
 
Location: My House
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I'm sorry you don't believe polls, that's on you, not me.

"you guys lost"?

what you guys?

I"m a registered independent that votes for Republicans and Democrats.

No one won anything today, Americans lost.

If you read the report, its not one big lie.
The "team" mentality is pure stupidity.

This is the first time in my life that I can recall a sitting president not attempting to govern ALL of the citizenry and to work with EVERYONE in Congress, even when they disagree on the best course of action.

No... there are "teams" there is Team MAGA and Team the Rest of Us.
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Old 04-19-2019, 09:33 AM
 
Location: My House
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you mean for 1 day he doesn't want to talk to the same reporters that printed lies about him for 2 years? LMAO!!!
Yeah.. that's why he ducked them. Not at all because he didn't want to have to answer tough questions.
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