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Old 04-20-2019, 07:44 AM
 
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Do you require my 8 page executive summary or my 400 page report?
One sentence would be much better.

 
Old 04-20-2019, 08:03 AM
 
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One sentence would be much better.
Whether it is defensible for the President to induce a person to commit a crime, such as by suborning perjury, or by intimidating witnesses, or by fabricating evidence.
 
Old 04-20-2019, 08:11 AM
 
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Whether it is defensible for the President to induce a person to commit a crime, such as by suborning perjury, or by intimidating witnesses, or by fabricating evidence.
I know what obstruction of justice is.

The mainstream media and some people in this thread are saying the President committed obstruction of justice. How? What did he do?

Can you name one or more acts by Trump that constituted obstruction of justice?

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Old 04-20-2019, 08:21 AM
 
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Obstruction is a actionable offence.....it has to actually happen...to be charged with obstruction

...the only think they have is firing Comey.....which the president can do at any time for any reason

Comey was caught lying if nothing else....Comey first denied leaking...then admitted he did leak...that's lying...that one thing is enough...leaking itself is enough, and Comey admitted to that
...and the president fired him immediately after that

Doesn't matter what Trump "said"....no actual obstruction took place...Mueller's report is dancing all around that..even Mueller conveniently left out the reason's Trump had to fire Comey....and at no time did Mueller find evidence of actual obstruction...and he said so...it was all maybe, might, could have
 
Old 04-20-2019, 08:22 AM
 
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The mainstream media and some people in this thread are saying the President committed obstruction of justice. How? What did he do?

Can you name one act by Trump that constituted obstruction of justice?

They wont because they cant but they'll keep repeating that lie because they think if they repeat the lie enough times people will believe it, just like they did with the whole collusion nonsense--people still repeat that lie or backpedal that collusion isnt breaking the law.
 
Old 04-20-2019, 08:41 AM
 
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I know what obstruction of justice is.

The mainstream media and some people in this thread are saying the President committed obstruction of justice. How? What did he do?

Can you name one act by Trump that constituted obstruction of justice?
You have underestimated the American people, & members here who have attempted to answer you. The American people, & members here "know what obstruction of justice is" also.

The American people, & members here (some folks anyhow) have read the specific facts, based on the evidence revealed in Mr. Mueller's investigative report.

We don't even have an unredacted report by which to delve further.

Give the authoritarian stance a break, we the people are far beyond the 'banana republic' stage:

 
Old 04-20-2019, 08:45 AM
 
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Comey's nickname was " Doofy" so that tells you that he was a piece of work. His being fired was well deserved for incompetence and/ or abuse of office.
Give Trump credit for bring the FBI back from the shambles it had become under the last three administrations.
 
Old 04-20-2019, 08:58 AM
 
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You have underestimated the American people, & members here who have attempted to answer you. The American people, & members here "know what obstruction of justice is" also.
No one has attempted to answer me, and the notion that the American people or members here know what obstruction of justice is (in any relevant sense) is ridiculous. 99% of lawyers don't even know what it is with the level of specificity necessary to decide whether any particular action by Trump constituted obstruction of justice. Sure, most people have a general sense of it (like your reference to witness intimidation), but this is about the application of specific laws to specific facts.

Of course, no one has to answer my question, but it's nonetheless interesting that no one will state any particular thing that Trump did that constituted obstruction of justice. This fact conveys the impression that they are just mindlessly repeating talking points from the fake news media.

Can anyone identify an action by Trump that broke one or more of the laws against obstruction of justice? You don't need to specify the law; just specify the act.
 
Old 04-20-2019, 09:15 AM
 
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I have indeed answered your question.

Even posted links to several articles that explain in more detail the evidence the Mueller investigation found on obstruction of justice in 10 different areas.
 
Old 04-20-2019, 09:26 AM
 
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The report stated: "...if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state."

"Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment."

"The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that prevent us from conclusively determining that no criminal conduct occurred."

The report went to great lengths to explain repeatedly how they found evidence that met the legal threshold to make a case -- if they could. However, both AG and DOJ policy was that no indictments for anything, including obstruction of justice, would be happening.

So why is Baghdad Barr claiming Trump was exonerated with regard to obstruction of justice?
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