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Old 04-21-2019, 07:17 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Quick Enough View Post
The ENTIRE Volume 2 is NOT what Mueller was appointed to do. It read like a NY Times anti Trump article.

It is NOT his "job" to tell the AG and America what he THINKS about.

It is NOT his job to lecture others on anything.

He was appointed to do a SPECIFIC JOB not, EDITORIALIZE. PERIOD!

It WAS his job to do an investigation into whether Trump colluded with Russia. PERIOD!

And he concluded Trump did NOT COLLUDE WITH RUSSIA.

Volume 2 should be thrown into the trash, where it belongs!

Trump KNEW he was INNOCENT and WANTED to be exonerated. There is NO logical reason in the world why Trump would "obstruct" from being proven INNOCENT!
But the info in Vol 2 is accurate and true—-
Not ‘faux news”

And the conclusions you are drawing are based on Fox and other pro-Trump allies
There are plenty of direct statements from the report that prove your opinion is not accurate as to facts in evidence...

If you take your opinion from second hand sources like Fox or Rudy G rather than the first-hand source of the Report itself, you risk being “played” rather than being educated
That is your choice, of course...
Most people would choose to read the document and form a first-hand opinion

Trump knows he has committed all kinds of crimes—
He just never admits guilt—
The fact that his charity was found to be illegal was certainly proven
The fact that his university certainly defrauded people paying for what they didn’t get was proven
The fact that his businesses have persistently defrauded their contractors is a matter of many lawsuits
And Trump had to shut down Mueller’s investigation to prevent his guilt from being made plain...
The new AG was the method of doing that — Barr was complicit in lying to Congress and covering up for Reagan/Bush crimes, including OKing pardons for those involved in Iran-Contra crimes
Barr has already lied to Congress to cover up his Reagan/Bush activities
And Barr will do the same thing now...
Trump found his Tom Hagan...and it isn’t Michael Cohen...

Mueller’s Report has enough information to sink Trump if the GOP was a moral organization—
There were GOP senators who forced Nixon to confront his own involvement in Watergate and resign before being impeached and kicked out of office by Congress...
But the current crop of GOP politicians are too intent on themselves and their wealthy clientele to care about the Constitutional responsibility they have to protect America and ALL her peoples...—not just a crooked POTUS

 
Old 04-21-2019, 07:23 AM
 
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No, it's because he already developed his 'personal defense theory' for Mr. Trump without knowing any of the facts or evidence. Here he is in a memo to Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein & Assistant Attorney General Steve Engel, dated June 8, 2018 outlining his 'personal defense theory':

https://www.justsecurity.org/wp-cont...n-Theory-1.pdf

The anti-Trumpers with TDS WON'T read it.
 
Old 04-21-2019, 07:24 AM
 
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Mueller turns in a report (required by the terms of his origination order) that states any times he has been refused by Rosenstein or Barr since he took office...this should be coming soon...
There are intimations that Rosenstein and especially Barr were telling Mueller to complete his investigation

Mueller’s team including info in his report that showed they were conducting ongoing investigations into at least one person involved in the campaign and were analyzing his computer for relevant documents as recently as week before Report went to Barr—
That doesn’t sound like he had “all the time he needed” to resolve the question of Trump’s involvement or others...
After all—as far as I know Mueller never really looked at FB’s role in providing information to Cambridge Analytica who was very involved in Trump’s and other GOP candidates’ campaigns...
That is one ripe area of involvement with trading into to the Russian trolls and the GRU...
Mr. Mueller looked at Facebook's involvement with Russian troll farms et al here:

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA v. INTERNET RESEARCH AGENCY LLC et al, CRIMINAL NO. (18 U.S.C. 2, 371, 1349, 1028A)

https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download

This one is, of course, ongoing, just the facts & summary of evidence, particularly for those who tend to believe such are relevant in investigative reports.
 
Old 04-21-2019, 07:27 AM
 
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sorry, that is just being clueless. No American was indicted with collusion and conspiracy with Russia and the 2016 election. That's the reason this whole investigation was started.


On the other indictments that had NOTHING to do with Russia collusion or the 2016 election, the DOJ could have handled that in separate cases. Manafort could have been investigated and charged by the DOJ, you didn't need a special counsel for that.



Obama for 8 years didn't thought much of Russia. What did he do to prevent it? So if Obama and Trump don't think much of Russia maybe it's a Russia hysteria over hyped by the media. Russia interferes in our elections like we do to theirs and many countries around the world.


We have real problems affecting our electoral process than Russia. Like Big Money in our politics and special interests buying politicians to pass laws that gives them advantages in the system. That to me is the biggest threat to our democracy and electoral process than whatever Russia can do with their trolls and tweeter accounts.
Because we may disagree there is no need to call me clueless. I understand that if an investigation is under way & evidence of another crime is committed they have to by law investigate it.

I agree that Big money influences our elections and it needs to stop. I also agree that other countries try to get into out elections however, Russia has come closer to actually influencing the outcome more than any country has before.
This president has the opportunity to change it, let's see if he does.
 
Old 04-21-2019, 07:28 AM
 
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This ALL that needs to be said:


"While Mueller neither concluded that Trump committed obstruction nor exonerated him on the matter, Attorney General William Barr said at a Thursday morning press conference that he and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein determined there was not sufficient evidence to establish such charges.

Under the LAW, you are either believed to be GUILTY by the information an investigation finds and charges recommended to be filed OR, there is NOT enough info from the investigation to charge you and you are released and considered NOT guilty.

There is NO in between. PERIOD.
I think you proved my point—
That Barr and Rosenstein have tried to usurp Congress’s authority to decide if the President is guilty of “high crimes and misdemeanors” by deciding there was not sufficient evidence to establish if Trump committed obstruction....and they certainly put pressure on Mueller to curtail his investigation and STOP gathering evidence that provide “sufficient” proof of Trump’s and others’ involvement...

Having a LACK of information to convict someone of a crime DOES NOT mean that person is innocent of what is being considered—-
Only that there is a lack of evidence to prove guilt in court...
Not that the crime didn’t happen
Or that a particular person was/was not involved...

The classic case of that is probably OJ Simpson’s not guilty verdict for the murders of Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman...
Does anything think that OJ was innocent—that he DIDN’T kill those two people?
If so, that is likely a very short list...

And no one who is backing Trump is admitting that the DOJ guideline about not prosecuting a sitting POTUS was an Iron Curtain that Mueller was forced to work behind...
Knowing that legally he was hampered by that provision and Barr was not about to rescind it to facilitate charging Trump just escapes all pro-Trump surrogates and is never mentioned...
If Barr had taken action to cancel that OLC pronouncement (not a law in any way), then Mueller would have had a totally different playing field...
 
Old 04-21-2019, 07:30 AM
 
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Mueller's team of 19 angry Demonicrats proved the investigation was a hoax and a witch hunt...People from every country in the world attempted to influence the election due to their needs (most for Hitlary) so this is nothing new and in fact the Democrats are supporting anybody on the planet (including a 100 millions Russians) no matter what country coming in and voting.

Obama said The Russians had no impact on the 2016 and Mueller's angry team of Demonicrats agreed with him after a thorough investigation...you should believe them.
I will remind you that Mueller is and has been a lifelong republican. Do you think he is colluding with Dems?
 
Old 04-21-2019, 07:30 AM
 
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The president calling the investigation a hoax and a phoney witch hunt doesn't make it so. How many were indicted? How many pled guilty? The Russians tried to interfere in our elections and will continue to do so in 2020. Nothing has been done to prevent them from trying again especially because our own president refuses to believe it. Does his refusal put our electoral process in danger??

" How many were indicted? How many pled guilty?"


NONE of the people who did get indicted were for ACTIONS NOT RELATED TO COLLUSION with Russia.
 
Old 04-21-2019, 07:33 AM
 
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The classic case is Watergate.

There was insufficient evidence until the Congressional hearing was underway and the Supreme Court decided that the unedited tapes had to be turned over.

The fact that neither Congress nor rest of us have seen the complete report and have not seen even a glimpse of Mueller any anyone on the investigation is, as Republicans put it, "troubling."
 
Old 04-21-2019, 07:37 AM
 
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The classic case is Watergate.

There was insufficient evidence until the Congressional hearing was underway and the Supreme Court decided that the unedited tapes had to be turned over.

The fact that neither Congress nor rest of us have seen the complete report and have not seen even a glimpse of Mueller any anyone on the investigation is, as Republicans put it, "troubling."
There is nothing troubling lol.

Stop making stuff up.

Barr is negotiating with Congress how much of the report and who will see it. If they don't like the result they can go to court.

Barr has stated he has no problem with either himself or Meuller testifying before Congress. Dates are being discussed.

None of this is troubling.
 
Old 04-21-2019, 07:40 AM
 
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Personally, if anyone has been "suckered into a love affair" it would be those who have been thoroughly conned by Mr. Trump.

Personally I have tried my absolute hardest to see things from that perspective, but I just can’t seem to get my head that far up Mr. Trump's a$$.
"Personally I have tried my absolute hardest to see things from that perspective" What a BUNCH of B.S., Your TDS comes shinning through with EVERY post!

" but I just can’t seem to get my head that far up Mr. Trump's a$$"

"if anyone has been "suckered into a love affair" it would be those who have been thoroughly conned by Mr. Trump."

Thank you for ONCE AGAIN PROVING you CAN'T engage in an honest un-biased adult discussion BUT, have to resort to juvenile name calling because some one DARE disagree with you.

Hint, YOU are NOT as SMART as you THINK you are!
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