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Old 04-21-2019, 02:14 PM
 
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Rosenstein standing behind Barr at the press conference will live in infamy I guess

I want to see the report Mueller still has to provide to Congress that lists specific instances of when/how Rosenstein or Barr or anyone might have tried to prevent his investigation from its desired path of investigation
Perhaps he will deliver it before he goes to Congress to testify

I was sorry the press was hounding him outside church today
They should know he isn’t going to give any comment

Re Barr’s comments in the press conference and his “summary” of the Report
It would be interesting to consider how both of those public releases of information plus the fact that Barr released information to Trump’s attorneys before he did to the Congress might play into an obstruction of justice charge against Barr...


The U.S. Constitution provides that civil officers of the United States, which would include the U.S. Attorney General, may be impeached by Congress for treason, bribery or high crimes and misdemeanors.


Of course same problem exists — Congress votes the bill of impeachment then it goes to the Senate...
Wow...…….exactly what Barr said would happen if willy nilly the Exec Branch could be charged with obstruction of justice everytime they make the decisions they are empowered to make in the course of doing their job.

People need to get a grip.

 
Old 04-21-2019, 02:16 PM
 
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Of course same problem exists — Congress votes the bill of impeachment then it goes to the Senate...



Pelosi won't allow it. She knows it's a loser.
 
Old 04-21-2019, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Whidbey Island, WA
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Dear Citizens.

It's over.

MAGA
 
Old 04-21-2019, 03:16 PM
 
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Barr’s original letter said there was no coordination or conspiracy w/ Russia & that Mueller declined to make a decision on obstruction charges — laying out evidence on both sides, not recommending charges, but also not exonerating. All of that was accurate.


Tell me how Barr is covering it up? this is how silly the left sound. Barr has been more forthcoming and open so Congress can see the full report then AG Holder and Obama under the Fast and the Furious.


Tell me how AG Barr covered for Reagan/Bush "illegal" activities? didn't Congress had hearings and they had a majority in Congress?
There were plenty of meetings with Russia, call it collusion or call it a meeting but in the end Mueller could not prove that there was a return on those meetings. There were plenty of lies along the way, deleted and encrypted emails and he was blocked from accessing foreign individuals. Remember all the public claims that they never met with any Russians.


So yes there isn't enough proof for a conspiracy by the Trump campaign but there is certainly evidence that they tried.
 
Old 04-21-2019, 04:08 PM
 
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There were plenty of meetings with Russia, call it collusion or call it a meeting but in the end Mueller could not prove that there was a return on those meetings. There were plenty of lies along the way, deleted and encrypted emails and he was blocked from accessing foreign individuals. Remember all the public claims that they never met with any Russians.


So yes there isn't enough proof for a conspiracy by the Trump campaign but there is certainly evidence that they tried.



Mueller had unlimited powers, unlimited resources and unlimited time, if Mueller couldn't prove a crime it's because there wasn't any evidence. Remember, NO American was charged with collusion or conspiracy with Russia, NOT 1.


So now the new goal post is that "they tried"? LMAO!!


Let's be clear on the conspiracy and collusion:


Trump and his team met with the Russians to hack in Hillarys, Podestas's emails? Mueller didn't find any evidence of that.


That Russia had bad evidence on Trump and they were manipulating him? Mueller found no evidence of that.


Russia paid Trump money to get nuclear codes or Uranium?


whatever Mueller was looking for, he didn't find anything.
 
Old 04-21-2019, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Whidbey Island, WA
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When Bill Barr finds out who was responsible for this foul attempt to subvert the Presidency, the roaches are going to head for the walls of this ship. When he charges crimes, they are going to climb over one another to confess. and when they go to prison that will be the time they all point to the most vile person of all... Princess Dirty.
 
Old 04-21-2019, 04:40 PM
 
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and the completely brainwashed lefties here continue to deny reality. they don't want to admit or acknowledge they were wrong and played by their handlers. the abused sticking up for their abuser.
 
Old 04-21-2019, 04:41 PM
 
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Mueller had unlimited powers, unlimited resources and unlimited time, if Mueller couldn't prove a crime it's because there wasn't any evidence. Remember, NO American was charged with collusion or conspiracy with Russia, NOT 1.


So now the new goal post is that "they tried"? LMAO!!


Let's be clear on the conspiracy and collusion:


Trump and his team met with the Russians to hack in Hillarys, Podestas's emails? Mueller didn't find any evidence of that.


That Russia had bad evidence on Trump and they were manipulating him? Mueller found no evidence of that.


Russia paid Trump money to get nuclear codes or Uranium?


whatever Mueller was looking for, he didn't find anything.
Even his powers are not unlimited, he was blocked by many individuals and he has no power over those living in foreign countries. Reading through the report he had no power over those that deleted emails or other messages and Trump responses were insufficient and he chose not to subpoena him.

That’s not a goal post, if you can read through his report there we’re certainly some grey areas as far as conspiracy not to mention obstruction. Barr’s comment that there was unprecedented cooperation from the White House is laughable.

More than just the emails, sharing internal polling data, Kushner meeting with a Russian banker formerly KGB, Trump Tower meeting all perfectly normal right.
 
Old 04-21-2019, 05:20 PM
 
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We all know the energy, money, and emotions spent trying to prove HRC was directly responsible for Benghazi...
If there had been a hint of her involvement with any foreign entities in that raid like there are obvious meetings and involvement with Russian operatives as the Trump people were in the campaign and afterward—Mueller’s investigation would be the Holy Grail to the GOP....

Muller’s report says specifically—-
when substantial, credible evidence enabled the Office to reach a conclusion with confidence, the report states that the investigation established that certain actions or events occurred. A statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there was no evidence of those facts.

Only that the evidence was not sufficient to satisfy a court of law...when the report was PROVIDED...I really don’t like to say “concluded” because Mueller would still be investigating and wouldn’t have provided a premature version of his conclusion IF he had been allowed to pursue avenues he was still investigating as early as last month...

There are 12 ongoing investigations — that likely means more than 12 indictments are likely to come since Mueller ONLY handed off investigations to offices if there was documentation of a crime with credible evidence obtained to convict those involved...

There is a redacted passage in the Report after Mueller says he considered calling Trump via subpoena to testify and knew he would refuse...
Speculation is that the redacted Grand Jury information points to the Grand Jury WANTING to call Trump to testify—-
And Mueller didn’t feel that was possible under the current DoJ guidelines

There is strong likelihood Trump’s three oldest children will be indicted under the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act based on information around redacted passages...and the counter-intelligence investigations that Andrew McCabe had created that are going to be the focus of the House Intelligence Committee under Schiff...

Now the Congressional Committees are likely going to get to see the redacted portions of the Report—even if they have to take Barr to Court...
And those sections could be very important in making a decision to bring articles of Impeachment
 
Old 04-21-2019, 05:27 PM
 
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Even his powers are not unlimited, he was blocked by many individuals and he has no power over those living in foreign countries. Reading through the report he had no power over those that deleted emails or other messages and Trump responses were insufficient and he chose not to subpoena him.

That’s not a goal post, if you can read through his report there we’re certainly some grey areas as far as conspiracy not to mention obstruction. Barr’s comment that there was unprecedented cooperation from the White House is laughable.

More than just the emails, sharing internal polling data, Kushner meeting with a Russian banker formerly KGB, Trump Tower meeting all perfectly normal right.
There was no criminal deletion of emails or other messages or there would be charges.

Mueller chose not to subpoena the Pres. Likely because he knew it would not change the outcome. He already had "unprecedented cooperation" from the administration.

There were no grey areas with regard to conspiracy.

Mueller unequivocably stated there was insufficient evidence to charge conspiracy.

Bottom line NO CONSPIRACY. Spin it however you like, there is no changing that.

Given the fact there was no conspiracy, there is no way to reach corrupt intent on the obstruction of justice issue.

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