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Old 04-21-2019, 11:06 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Ariadne22 View Post
A good piece on why the investigation ended so quickly - and with no conclusion on obstruction - the short answer Mueller knew he would be overruled by Barr:

So Mueller talked to the WP and told them what he thought Barr would do? LMAO!!......that doesn't sound like Mueller. Shouldn't you wait until Mueller goes the hill and testifies? your game is speculations of what you think things went down and is making you look bad.

 
Old 04-22-2019, 05:05 AM
 
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No—“collusion” was not the term
Once again—there is evidence of plenty of “collusion”
What wasn’t discovered (maybe because the investigation was cut short) was ENOUGH evidence of CONSPIRACY....that is a legal term for a chargeable criminal offense...
"Once again—there is evidence of plenty of “collusion”

Give it up. Muller did NOT recommend ANY indictments for collusion. game,set, MATCH!!

(maybe because the investigation was cut short), Show where Mueller said that. He had 2 YEARS and could NOT find any. NO ONE FORCED him to sut it down!

I'm confused. many dem leaders, from Shiff, to Brennen, to Clapper and others proudly PROCLAIMED they HAD SEEN THE EVIDENCE of collusion, so, WHY DIDN'T they give it to Mueller?

Why didn't Mueller ask to see it? We KNOW they would have proudly given it to him.
 
Old 04-22-2019, 05:15 AM
 
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Reading comprehension is everything.

The quoted poster was not referencing Vol 2 she was quoting you.

Go back and read before you chastise others for not reading.

"The quoted poster" was me and I was not going to bring it up. I was going to let the other readers see it for themselves and see how ignorant some posts are.


But, thank you for defending me. I appreciate it.
 
Old 04-22-2019, 05:19 AM
 
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Rosenstein standing behind Barr at the press conference will live in infamy I guess

I want to see the report Mueller still has to provide to Congress that lists specific instances of when/how Rosenstein or Barr or anyone might have tried to prevent his investigation from its desired path of investigation
Perhaps he will deliver it before he goes to Congress to testify

I was sorry the press was hounding him outside church today
They should know he isn’t going to give any comment

Re Barr’s comments in the press conference and his “summary” of the Report
It would be interesting to consider how both of those public releases of information plus the fact that Barr released information to Trump’s attorneys before he did to the Congress might play into an obstruction of justice charge against Barr...

The U.S. Constitution provides that civil officers of the United States, which would include the U.S. Attorney General, may be impeached by Congress for treason, bribery or high crimes and misdemeanors.


Of course same problem exists — Congress votes the bill of impeachment then it goes to the Senate...

"plus the fact that Barr released information to Trump’s attorneys before he did to the Congress might play into an obstruction of justice charge against Barr..."


How in the the hell is that OBSTRUCTING ANYTHING?


Some of you have COMPLETELY LOST YOUR MINDS!
 
Old 04-22-2019, 05:19 AM
 
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There is nothing in the Constitution shielding a President from prosecution, this would violate the fundamental principle that no one is above the law. Mr. Nixon challenged:



The remedy for a scenario for a President challenging this fundamental principle, & in accordance with our Constitutional system, including the provisions for the Separation of Powers between the three branches of government, is impeachment.

This system of checks and balances was created so that the powers of one branch can be challenged by another branch, that's what it's all about.

Mr. Trump, & various members of his administration have challenged these fundamental principles & organizational checks & balances from day 1.



The powers of the office of POTUS do not prop him above the law of the land; he has been & will continue to be questioned on it.
 
Old 04-22-2019, 05:24 AM
 
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We all know the energy, money, and emotions spent trying to prove HRC was directly responsible for Benghazi...
If there had been a hint of her involvement with any foreign entities in that raid like there are obvious meetings and involvement with Russian operatives as the Trump people were in the campaign and afterward—Mueller’s investigation would be the Holy Grail to the GOP....

Muller’s report says specifically—-
when substantial, credible evidence enabled the Office to reach a conclusion with confidence, the report states that the investigation established that certain actions or events occurred. A statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there was no evidence of those facts.

Only that the evidence was not sufficient to satisfy a court of law...when the report was PROVIDED...I really don’t like to say “concluded” because Mueller would still be investigating and wouldn’t have provided a premature version of his conclusion IF he had been allowed to pursue avenues he was still investigating as early as last month...

There are 12 ongoing investigations — that likely means more than 12 indictments are likely to come since Mueller ONLY handed off investigations to offices if there was documentation of a crime with credible evidence obtained to convict those involved...

There is a redacted passage in the Report after Mueller says he considered calling Trump via subpoena to testify and knew he would refuse...
Speculation is that the redacted Grand Jury information points to the Grand Jury WANTING to call Trump to testify—-
And Mueller didn’t feel that was possible under the current DoJ guidelines

There is strong likelihood Trump’s three oldest children will be indicted under the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act based on information around redacted passages...and the counter-intelligence investigations that Andrew McCabe had created that are going to be the focus of the House Intelligence Committee under Schiff...

Now the Congressional Committees are likely going to get to see the redacted portions of the Report—even if they have to take Barr to Court...
And those sections could be very important in making a decision to bring articles of Impeachment

"when substantial, credible evidence enabled the Office to reach a conclusion with confidence, the report states that the investigation established that certain actions or events occurred. A statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there was no evidence of those facts."

Nothing but the usual legal double talk.


Either you HAVE the evidence to recommend criminal charges or you DON'T. PERIOD.
 
Old 04-22-2019, 05:30 AM
 
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1)Mueller knows his indictments on Russians will never see the light of day in an American court. Those Russians would never get a fair trial here. It was more of a symbolic indictments for Mueller so he can say he indicted people for the Russian collusion and he got something.


2) Why would he subpoena Trump? for doing his constitutional duties? that would set a bad precedent for future Presidents and Mueller would lose in court. That's why he backed off.


3) Why would Mueller want to investigate Trump for obstruction? Mueller was given unlimited powers and unlimited money and unlimited access to WH documents and even Trump's WH counselors without invoking Executive Privilege.

4) Now Mueller will go to Congress and that will be his chance to back up his double talk of obstruction.
He has to say that Trump's actions prevented him of getting crucial evidence or witnesses that he couldn't complete his investigation.....he won't.

5) Barr has no problem going to the Hill and back up his decisions and the law. Mueller is the one I should be worry about because he will disappoint your side again.

AND 16, I believe, DEM highly experienced lawyers. Some donated to hillary's campaign and 1 WORKED for her.
If that bunch could NOT find enough evidence, it does NOT EXIST!


I love all the complaints NOW about what political party Barr and Mueller might be registered as BUT, NEVER a word about the party of the lawyers on Mueller's team.


HYPOCRITES to the core!
 
Old 04-22-2019, 05:37 AM
 
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He would not have stopped the Investigation.

He would have fired Mueller and replaced him with someone who was not so Biased and hired such an anti-Trump team.

he should have replaced sessions from the very beginning.
"He would not have stopped the Investigation."

Pray tell, why NOT?

THIS out t be interesting.
 
Old 04-22-2019, 05:40 AM
 
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there was no basis for Sessions to recused himself. He let the media and the Democrats bully him to push a narrative. Sessions fed the fire by recusing himself and Trump should be upset with him. If Barr was there from day #1 none of this circus would have gone this far.

That's the difference between him and Barr. Barr won't let the media and Democrats push him around. You better bring solid and valid evidence and back it up with the law to make him recuse himself.
"there was no basis for Sessions to recused himself." I agree.

Rosenstein had MORE involvement with the issues then Sessions did.
 
Old 04-22-2019, 05:45 AM
 
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Trump did not need to surrender his powers over the DOJ or the FBI...………..exercising them as in firing Comey,, Rosentstein , Mueller may have invited Congress to invoke their oversight...……….who knows.

In any case it is common sense, not to mention the collective decision of DOJ advisors that Sessions could not oversee an investigation of Trumps campaign when he was part of that same campaign.

How could he ever be or prove objectivity.

You aren't even making sense.

"In any case it is common sense, not to mention the collective decision of DOJ advisors that Sessions could not oversee an investigation of Trumps campaign when he was part of that same campaign."


Then why DIDN'T Rosenstein recuse HIMSELF from ANY actions involving the Mueller probe.
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