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Old 04-26-2019, 01:36 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Originally Posted by LordBalfor View Post
So you're saying that you retired early from a non-FICA paying job and "didn't look for ways to increase your income" back when you were working? That you were fine with whatever your employer chose to give you.

Is that it?
And a govt employee no less - either city, county, or state - maybe teacher, firefighter, cop, or administrative worker - with enough years/age combo to allow an early retirement. Never does one get early retirement benefits in a non-govt position.

Many of those govt entities back in the day didn't pay into FICA which is why he is subject to WEP. He is already living on an early retirement pension from his govt employer - paid for by him AND the taxpayers he worked for. So, no different than FICA - which is paid for by employee/employer contributions to SS except his is really 50% taxpayer funded - whereas SS today can funded by worker and both private and public employers.

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Old 04-26-2019, 01:38 PM
 
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In other news and back on topic, no Americans conspired with Russia regarding the election of our last President.
 
Old 04-26-2019, 01:41 PM
 
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And a govt employee no less - either city, county, or state - maybe teacher, firefighter, cop, or administrative worker - with enough years/age combo to allow an early retirement. Never does one get early retirement benefits in a non-govt position.

Further, many of those govt entities back in the day didn't pay into FICA which is why he is subject to WEP. He is already living on an early retirement pension from his govt employer - paid for by him AND the taxpayers he worked for. So, no different than FICA - which is paid for by employee/employer contributions to SS. His govt pension, even though he doesn't admit it, is exactly like SS.
I am a she, not a he. I worked in a position that anyone can apply for if they don't have a criminal record and can pass the physical and psychological requirements. So what? Are you jealous? WTH does that have to do with the government living within their means and everyone paying less taxes rather than more? I paid my fair share btw.

Of course you are one of those who attack the person and not address the point.

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Old 04-26-2019, 01:54 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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In other news and back on topic, no Americans conspired with Russia regarding the election of our last President.
Yeah they did - including the President. They just got away with it.

Ken
 
Old 04-26-2019, 02:02 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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I am a she, not a he. I worked in a position that anyone can apply for if they don't have a criminal record and can pass the physical and psychological requirements. So what? Are you jealous? WTH does that have to do with the government living within their means and everyone paying less taxes rather than more? I paid my fair share btw.

Of course you are one of those who attack the person and not address the point.
It has to do with the fact that it's all well and good to say "government should live within it's means" but the fact is, there is no specific answer as to WHAT those "means" are? To many Right Wing types YOUR PENSION is fair game for cuts.

Like any other entity, if the government doesn't have the funding to meet it's financial commitments it can either cut expenditures (though WHICH expenditures is a whole 'nother question) OR raise revenues or BOTH. There is no rule that says the only option is CUTS. ALL of those options should be on the table.

Ken
 
Old 04-26-2019, 02:11 PM
 
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Yeah they did - including the President. They just got away with it.

Ken
They didn't get away with it.

The Special Counsel charged with the investigation said there was no conspiracy.
 
Old 04-26-2019, 02:34 PM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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So, you're retired.
Do you get Social Security?
Medicare?
Think we should cut those?
What should we cut?

Aside from that, if you are on SS or Medicare, you are not really "living within your means" - you are on the government dole - like the programs you complained about.

And finally, the government is not EVER in your position (ie "retired"). It ALWAYS has means of raising revenue and ALWAYS has demand for that revenue. If the government is short on money, it can either cut costs OR raise revenue (or BOTH). It's NEVER retired. It's forever YOU back in your "working days". Don't tell me you didn't look to increase your revenue when you were short on cash. THAT just didn't happen.

Ken
Ken, that depends on if the person worked and was forced to pay into the SS and Medicare system throughout their career like most of us have been. You aren't on the gov. dole if you paid into the system.
 
Old 04-26-2019, 02:36 PM
 
Location: In your head, rent free
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Yeah they did - including the President. They just got away with it.

Ken
Only in your delusions is that true Ken.
 
Old 04-26-2019, 02:39 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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They didn't get away with it.

The Special Counsel charged with the investigation said there was no conspiracy.
Yeah, they did get away with it - beginning with President. He asked (on LIVE TV) for Russian assistance, and Russia responded. The Russian also aided the campaign in other ways:

From the report itself:

"...The social media campaign and the GRU hacking operations coincided with a series of
contacts between Trump Campaign officials and individuals with ties to the Russian government.

The Office investigated whether those contacts reflected or resulted in the Campaign conspiring
or coordinating with Russia in its election-interference activities. Although the investigation
established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and
worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from
information stolen and released through Russian efforts
, the investigation did not establish that
members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its
election interference activities .
The Russian contacts consisted of business connections, offers of assistance to the
Campaign, invitations for candidate Trump and Putin to meet in person , invitations for Campaign
officials and representatives of the Russian government to meet, and policy positions seeking
improved U.S.-Russian relations
..."


https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/18/polit...pdf/index.html

The report says outright that:

1) "...The social media campaign and the GRU hacking operations coincided with a series of
contacts between Trump Campaign officials and individuals with ties to the Russian government."

Gee, what a coincidence.

2) "...the investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts..."
One helping the other - but that's not a "conspiracy"?

3) "...The Russian contacts consisted of business connections, offers of assistance to the
Campaign, invitations for candidate Trump and Putin to meet in person , invitations for Campaign
officials and representatives of the Russian government to meet, and policy positions seeking
improved U.S.-Russian relations..".

Lots of help from the Russians, but it's not a "conspiracy"?

Those are direct quotes. Yet the report somehow concludes there was NO CONSPIRACY????

Sorry, I don't buy it. Seems to me the conclusion is "weak". The Special Counsel gave Trump a HUGE "benefit of the doubt".

Ken

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Old 04-26-2019, 02:53 PM
 
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Would Republicans have been satisfied with a redacted version, redacted by Janet Reno? No they would not have. Would Republicans have been satisfied with a redacted version, redacted by Eric Holder? No they would not have.
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